Nature or nurture

[spike]

Interesting. My point was your point and you don't get it?

You asked "How many in those two events marched in a parade scheduled for that event; and had public sex on the street in front of ordinary men, women, and children?".

Unless you have some numbers from both events you have no point. Even if you do have numbers I don't know what your point would be.

But go ahead and tell me how many from each.

 

[Gato_Solo]

ummm okay, not really, but rereading i can see it's easy to read it as that way.

also, i stand by my "living in a cave" crack. by the way, when did it become accepted practice to view less-common individuals as less (or not) normal? wordwide, the percentages of air force sergeants or research directors must be pretty low. we must both be abnormal. very, very abnormal.

Interesting you make that comparison. Lets take a look at that in particular...

Homosexuality is a behavior. Being in the Air Force is a job, and being a research director is a job. What link has a behavior to do with employment? Commonplace, or not, a job cannot be linked with a behavior unless that job is restricted to that behavior. We can retire from our jobs, but our behavior is what defines us.

 

[Gonz]

maybe you just don't understand what a moral compass looks like these days. they don't all look like your vintage model.

Good thing too. We are all so much beter off with the increase of fatherless children & STDs. The murder rate is certainly lower with the relative morals. Look at all the hippie love & adualtion we achieve from corporations.

Perhaps, a little vintage morals are exactly what we need.

 

[jimpeel]

You asked "How many in those two events marched in a parade scheduled for that event; and had public sex on the street in front of ordinary men, women, and children?".

Unless you have some numbers from both events you have no point. Even if you do have numbers I don't know what your point would be.

But go ahead and tell me how many from each.

You search for numbers when the fact that the behavior happened at all is the point. It happened. There are photographs of it happening. A link was posted and has since been taken down.

You may find it ordinary behavior to watch small children viewing a man fellating another man in broad daylight on a public street. I do not. This is not normal behavior or it would be commonplace outside of every elementary school in America and no one would be arrested for doing so.

 

[spike]

You search for numbers

Where? You're the one that brought up "how many" at each as if you knew or had a point.

when the fact that the behavior happened at all is the point. It happened. There are photographs of it happening. A link was posted and has since been taken down.

I saw no such evidence. Do you how often it happened at each of these events? Seems you only want to focus on one of them.

You may find it ordinary behavior to watch small children viewing a man fellating another man in broad daylight on a public street.

I would find it irresponsible behavior for a parent to allow their children near either event. Although I saw no evidence of public sex at either of these I have seen videos of public sex between men and women on public streets on several occassions.

So what is your point?

 

[spike]

No. It's not commonplace. You know statistics, and you should know better than that...

Red heads and black people are also minorities statistically in the US.

 

[jimpeel]

Where? You're the one that brought up "how many" at each as if you knew or had a point.



I saw no such evidence. Do you how often it happened at each of these events? Seems you only want to focus on one of them.



I would find it irresponsible behavior for a parent to allow their children near either event. Although I saw no evidence of public sex at either of these I have seen videos of public sex between men and women on public streets on several occassions.

So what is your point?

I would PM you images but you would go screaming to the mods that I was sending you pornographic images. The facts are clear and it does not take a parent to "allow" their children to see abberant behavior. How much behavior did you witness as a child that your parents would have considered objectionable? Yet you saw them, anyway, didn't you? Did that make your parents irresponsible?

 

[simplyred]

I did not know that fruit flies had sex........

 

[spike]

I would PM you images but you would go screaming to the mods that I was sending you pornographic images.

Just answer your own question. Or tell me what your point is already.

The facts are clear

Which facts are you referring to?

and it does not take a parent to "allow" their children to see abberant behavior.

Any parent that allows their child bear either of those events is being irresponsible.

How much behavior did you witness as a child that your parents would have considered objectionable? Yet you saw them, anyway, didn't you? Did that make your parents irresponsible?

My parents sure didn't irresponisbly take me to events like these.

 

[jimpeel]

Just answer your own question. Or tell me what your point is already.

In post #18 you asked "What is the public thing?"

I gave you a link in post #24 to softcore photos of the goings on at one of these parades. Another poster gave a link to another site but that post was removed because it had hardcore images.

Your retort was "How many attended compared with the Erotic Exotic ball or the porn conventions in Las Vegas?" in post #29; so it was YOU who first brought up numbers. There had never been anything about numbers prior to that. Everything dealt with the EVENT.

In a tit-for-tat effort, however, you tried to skew the debate by adding your own aspect.

In post #33 I said I did not know the number; and I countered with my own query which WAS YOUR POINT of asking for numbers.

You countered with an "I have no idea." of your own in post #44; and then you asked me the completely rhetorical question "Go ahead and tell me" when I had already stated that I did not know. "You don't know? Then tell me the number that you don't know" is what it comes down to. You then demanded "Then tell me your point."

The point was that the NUMBERS are unimportant. It is the EVENT itself that is the important part of this discussion; and THAT is what the discussion was about. It was YOU who sidetracked the discussion with your inane demand for numbers. ONE would be enough, don't you think?

I countered in post #71with "Interesting. My point was your point and you don't get it?"

Your point was a tit-for-tat "Well they do it too" that added NOTHING to the debate. My point was that you had no point at all. If you had one to begin with you would have hoisted it. Instead, you tried to derail the debate by interjecting extraneous nonsensical demands for something that is of absolutely no value to a debate about an EVENT.

Yet here you are in post#81 still demanding the same useless information instead of admitting that these events are decadent of and by themselves and celebrate abberant behavior publicly with public acts of sexual misconduct.

In post #84 I stated that the conduct described in the thread prior to your effort to derail it had happened and that links to actual photographs of this behavior had been posted for all to see.

Which brings us to post #85 wherein you state "You're the one that brought up "how many" at each as if you knew or had a point."; but I have shown you unequivocally that it was YOU who brought up numbers for the first time in post #29 when you asked ""How many attended ..."

You then go into abject denial, in the face of the evidence to the contrary, when you posted "I saw no such evidence. Do you how often it happened at each of these events? Seems you only want to focus on one of them."

So now you admit that you did not see the evidence so, vis-a-vis, you never went to the linked content. You then, once again, shifted your insipid demands to the number of times "it" happened at EACH event. So you have now, once again, attempted to shift the debate away from the event and onto the number of times sexual violations occurred at "each" event.

Which facts are you referring to?

The fact is that these homosexual events have public exhibitions of sexual misconduct as a matter of norm.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

Another poster gave a link to another site but that post was removed because it had hardcore images.

Naw, its still there with all its safetys intact.

A clear bold warning, then once you get past that the images are blurred out unless you click on them, again with another warning. ...and its not meant as pr0n, just oppositional documentation of facts.

 

[jimpeel]

I saw no such evidence. Do you how often it happened at each of these events? Seems you only want to focus on one of them.

Okay, so here is a list of a bunch of them repleat with scads of photos for you to peruse if you dare.

 

[jimpeel]

I don't see much difference between the Folsom Street thing and the Erotic Exotic ball if you're going to complain in that direction.

Here is the difference:

One is held indoors in an arena for which one must pay an admission fee to enter.

The other is held outdoors on the public street in full view of anyone who happens to be passing by.

Do you see the difference now?

 

[spike]

In a tit-for-tat effort, however, you tried to skew the debate by adding your own aspect.

Skew the debate by pointing out that heterosexuals have simialr events right?

I said I did not know the number; and I countered with my own query which WAS YOUR POINT of asking for numbers.

So it's established that neither of us knows the number who attended any of these events or the number who had sex in front of children.

Kinda makes all this pointless right?

ONE would be enough, don't you think?portant part of this discussion; and THAT is what the discussion was about.

The discussion for me is about finding out what your point is. One is enough at which events? Enough for what? For people to not take their children to them?

Your point was a tit-for-tat "Well they do it too" that added NOTHING to the debate. My point was that you had no point at all. If you had one to begin with you would have hoisted it.

The obvious point is that you're being hypocritical by focusing only on an event that many gays attend.

Instead, you tried to derail the debate by interjecting extraneous nonsensical demands for something that is of absolutely no value to a debate about an EVENT.

The debate is about "nature or nurture".

Yet here you are in instead of admitting that these events are decadent of and by themselves and celebrate abberant behavior publicly with public acts of sexual misconduct.

If people want to attend any of these events whether they are attended by mostly gays or straights I could give a crap.

You then go into abject denial, in the face of the evidence to the contrary, when you posted "I saw no such evidence. Do you how often it happened at each of these events? Seems you only want to focus on one of them."

Denial? I don't think you know what the word means.

You do only want to focus on one of them though right?

So you have now, once again, attempted to shift the debate away from the event and onto the number of times sexual violations occurred at "each" event.

Remember typing this?

"How many in those two events marched in a parade scheduled for that event; and had public sex on the street in front of ordinary men, women, and children?"

The fact is that these homosexual events have public exhibitions of sexual misconduct as a matter of norm.

And the heterosexual ones do not? Now that I've looked through the images which one has the children in it?

The Folsom Street Fair is not even a "homosexual event" it's a leather event.

Holy crap a man and a woman! Damn those heterosexuals!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folsom_Street_Fair

 

[2minkey]

Interesting you make that comparison. Lets take a look at that in particular...

Homosexuality is a behavior. Being in the Air Force is a job, and being a research director is a job. What link has a behavior to do with employment? Commonplace, or not, a job cannot be linked with a behavior unless that job is restricted to that behavior. We can retire from our jobs, but our behavior is what defines us.

i was wondering when you'd catch up to your own assertions.

 

[2minkey]

...overstated and unfounded biased agendized opinions put them on when confronted with facts.

um, what facts?

and as to an agenda, i don't have one other than i'm simply tired of "fags are vermin" type posts. they're boorish and unflattering.

 

[jimpeel]

Skew the debate by pointing out that heterosexuals have simialr events right?

Heterosexuals do not have similar events. They do not parade on public streets while exhibiting abberant sexual behavior and they do not have sex on a public street in full view of everyone there.

So it's established that neither of us knows the number who attended any of these events or the number who had sex in front of children.

One is held in the open air venue of the public streets ij full view of anyone in attendance regardless of their age; and the other is held inside an auditorium.

The discussion for me is about finding out what your point is. One is enough at which events? Enough for what? For people to not take their children to them?

You can do better but you know you have lost this debate and you are now grasping at straws. Pure horse sense and common sense dictates that any event held in an open air venue on a public street is gouing to be viewed by people of all ages.

The obvious point is that you're being hypocritical by focusing only on an event that many gays attend.

I gave you a list of many events HERE yet you choose to ignore them while stating the opposite.

The debate is about "nature or nurture".

No, the thread header points to an article entitled "Scientists Make Fruit Flies Gay, Then Straight Again". Nature or nurture was the tagline for the thread.

On that aspect, however, since you opened it up; I do not believe in homosexuality as a natural phenomenon. It is a learned trait.

You do only want to focus on one of them though right?

HERE is that list you keep choosing to ignore still one more time.

Remember typing this?

"How many in those two events marched in a parade scheduled for that event; and had public sex on the street in front of ordinary men, women, and children?"

Yes. It was in response to your query about the numbers of sexual abberations at these events. Remember, it was you who brought up the numbers and then claimed that it was I who did so. There is a word for people who knowingly make false claims, you know.

And the heterosexual ones do not? Now that I've looked through the images which one has the children in it?

The Folsom Street Fair is not even a "homosexual event" it's a leather event.

Holy crap a man and a woman! Damn those heterosexuals!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folsom_Street_Fair

You mean THIS FOLSOM STREET FAIR (2007)? Gee. What does that guy in the third photo have in his hand; and what does that guy in the fourth photo have in his mouth? It's kinda blurry. Maybe you could clear that up for me.

 

[spike]

Heterosexuals do not have similar events. They do not parade on public streets while exhibiting abberant sexual behavior and they do not have sex on a public street in full view of everyone there.

I saw pictures of women whipping naked men and men whipping women. It's not even a homosexual event.

One is held in the open air venue of the public streets ij full view of anyone in attendance regardless of their age; and the other is held inside an auditorium.

Once again if you bring your kids to either event you're an irresponsible parent.

You can do better but you know you have lost this debate and you are now grasping at straws. Pure horse sense and common sense dictates that any event held in an open air venue on a public street is gouing to be viewed by people of all ages.

Debate? You haven't even told us what your point is yet.

Actually common sense dictates that you don't take your children anywhere near either event.

I gave you a list of many events HERE yet you choose to ignore them while stating the opposite.

There's a lot of anti-war events there. What are you trying to get me to look at? What's your point?

No, the thread header points to an article entitled "Scientists Make Fruit Flies Gay, Then Straight Again". Nature or nurture was the tagline for the thread.

So you where wrong when you said it was about this event then.

On that aspect, however, since you opened it up; I do not believe in homosexuality as a natural phenomenon. It is a learned trait.

The findings in the OP would indicate your are wrong yet again.

HERE is that list you keep choosing to ignore still one more time.

One more time. Point?

Yes. It was in response to your query about the numbers of sexual abberations at these events. Remember, it was you who brought up the numbers and then claimed that it was I who did so. There is a word for people who knowingly make false claims, you know.

False claims like them being in front of children? Or that it is a gay event? Or that you have a point somewhere?

You mean THIS FOLSOM STREET FAIR (2007)? Gee. What does that guy in the third photo have in his hand; and what does that guy in the fourth photo have in his mouth? It's kinda blurry. Maybe you could clear that up for me.

Yeah, that one. Looks to me that there were gays and straights in attendance. Sorry to bust your bubble.

Both gays and straights have sexually related events. Sometimes their even the same event like here.

Let me give you another reminder about letting us know what your point is.

 

[ResearchMonkey]

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[spike]

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Hell yeah!