this pissed me off....

[[b]]

i was talking to a customer today on the phone as her two kids were fighting in the background. the little girl starts screaming at her brother and calls him a faggot.

the mother didn't say a word. i could hear the father in the background as well. he didn't say anything either. i just couldn't believe that they didn't say something to her about her language and what she had just called her brother.

now, normally, i'm not offended if i hear that kind of thing...coming from adults. but to hear a little girl call her little brother that flew all over me. espicially when neither parent said anything about it.

to me, she could of called him a nigger and it would of been the same thing as calling him a faggot.

i sat there shocked for a couple of seconds waiting for them to get on to her, and when they didn't, i just hung up. it was that or get fired for making a comment about their parenting skills.

 

[Shadowfax]

@ hanging up.

sensible. it surprises me every time how kids are raised nowadays...all the bad language they shout at eachother...i can't imagine thinking that kind of things when i was young (which isn't that long ago)

 

[PT]

This may or may not make you feel better, but I remember growing up with my brothers we were always calling each other fags or queer. I've since become much more understanding of the gay population and wouldn't think of doing it today, much less tolerate my children doing it. But, in some families, faggot and nigger are very common words.

 

[Jeslek]

Well, I can safely say I've never used queer, fag, nig-ger, etc., ever in a negative way. Nor does anyone in my family do it, as it will not be tolerated one bit.

 

[Gato_Solo]

Any negative comment, whether based upon race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation, is wrong. Whether you approve of a persons race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation, or not, common decency, which is sadly lacking in the world today, should dictate not only your response to an adverse situation, but your parenting skills. A persons race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation, doesn't make them less, or more, human than ones self. Personally, I think hanging up was a smart thing to do, but I probably would have gotten fired.

 

[[b]]

but I probably would have gotten fired.

You have no idea how close I come to this on a daily basis. I have no idea how they haven't caught on to some of the things I've said to people. Like later on today I had a man who's bill had not been paid for two months and had just mailed off his payment yesterday. Normally it's not a problem to set up some sort of arrangement to keep a person's service on, but it just so happened that we had just recently done this for him and we set a time limit on how often we do arrangements.

It does seem harsh sometimes, but it is a business, we don't provide phone service out of the goodness of our hearts. We do it so we can earn money pay the electric company

Well this man told me that he had a two month old child and asked if we were still going to shut his service off. This happens a lot and pisses me off too. Take responsibility for your actions, don't throw your baby in front of you like some sort of shield.

When I wouldn't answer his question directly he was all, "Say yes, I want to hear you tell me yes." So I did. That didn't make him happy. So then he told me if something happened to his child and he couldn't call for help it would be all my fault.

I get that a lot too. My normal response is, "What a horrible thing to say, let's both hope that nothing happens to your child." Want to make a person feel guilty, that's a good way to do it.

But this time I said, "No sir, it won't be my fault, it will be yours. We sent you a bill and we sent you a late notice. It's not my fault you didn't pay your bill on time." I don't think he expected that. He stuttered something then said, "Well, fuck you then." and hung up on me.

I get that a lot too.

I seriously can't imagine doing anything worse then what I do for a living. I've sold my soul for $15.49 an hour to a company that has made it clear they don't give a shit about me (I get no benefits at all, and only 19 hours a week) to be cussed at everyday by people who want to take advantage of the system and get pissed off because I've got the balls to tell them they need to take a bit of responsibility.

If you're on a fixed income, don't cry to me because you can't afford your $400 phone bill every month. Quit fucking calling people long distance. Get a cheap email provider and write them. Or have them call you. Or write 'em a letter.

What? You didn't get a bill? You've had service with us for 2 years. You don't get a bill when you normally do and all of a sudden you think that we're just gonna forget you've got service? That you get a free month? No, I don't think so. I know when I haven't received one of my bills.

You've got a phone, pick it up, call us. How am I supposed to know you haven't got your bill? If I could read minds I wouldn't be here putting up with your bullshit. I would of known you were calling and gone on break. Or I'd buy a lotto ticket and spend the rest of my life rolling naked in crisp $100 bills.

Do you know how many personal items I currently keep at my desk? My pen. And I carry with me everyday when I leave. Because one day I'm not going to walk back in there, or what's more likely, one day I'm just gonna walk out, and I'll be damned if they are getting my pen.

 

[[b]]

I just realized I was edited. Why change nigger to black person and not change faggot to gay person?

Hypocrite.

I was trying to make a point. Maybe you made a bigger one for me.

 

[[b]]

Oh, ic, it's built in.

now that's fucking rich.

 

[Gato_Solo]

That's because the word faggot actually means "bundle of sticks". It also has the colloquial meaning of "Cigarette" in Britain, or used to. N i g g e r is wrong no matter how you say it, or in what context. I don't know if the censor will get that, but if it doesn't, please don't edit it out.

 

[[b]]

N i g g e r is wrong no matter how you say it, or in what context

I'm sorry, but that's crap. Context is everything. Nobody should be afraid of a word, but how that word is used.

And if you really believe that it's wrong no matter how it's said, then what right do you have to type the word all spaced out so we can all see it and then ask that it not be censored out?

And how many people use faggot to mean bundle of sticks? You even question as to whether or not it's still used to mean cigarette in Britain. Why wouldn't it still be? Hmm, could it be that nobody wants to go out and have a fag because the word is now synonymous with homosexual?

 

[PT]

I agree with you , I think it's shit that we can say faggot and not the "N" word. I was trying to make a point in my post as well, it's not the same.

 

[PT]

Ok, from now on I want

Whitey to be changed to Caucasion
Kike to be changed to person of the jewish faith.
and
Faggot or Queer to be changed to gay person.

Seems only fair to me, while we're getting all politically correct and everything.

 

[[b]]

don't forget to change wetback to mexican, dune coon to middle eastern, gook to vietnamese, cripple to handycapable, and poor white trailer trash to low income caucasion modular home dweller.

 

[Gato_Solo]

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N i g g e r is wrong no matter how you say it, or in what context

I'm sorry, but that's crap. Context is everything. Nobody should be afraid of a word, but how that word is used.

And if you really believe that it's wrong no matter how it's said, then what right do you have to type the word all spaced out so we can all see it and then ask that it not be censored out?

And how many people use faggot to mean bundle of sticks? You even question as to whether or not it's still used to mean cigarette in Britain. Why wouldn't it still be? Hmm, could it be that nobody wants to go out and have a fag because the word is now synonymous with homosexual?

I'm not disagreeing with you on the use of the word in any context...just the fact that the word has other connotations/meanings according to the program that censors here. As for how many people use the word for bundle of sticks, I don't know, but I'm sure it isn't many, if any. As for the cigarette meaning, I've heard it used by some of the RAF folks that come through here, but I don't know how widespread it is. However, you heard the word here in the US, so that's why I'm questioning the parents skills. Even in Britain, the context of the speech you heard would be deemed offensive, but I never said it wasn't. Don't argue this one . I'm agreeing with you.

BTW...If you know of a context in which the 'N' word is appropriate, please let me know.

 

[[b]]

I'm not disagreeing with you on the use of the word in any context...

N i g g e r is wrong no matter how you say it, or in what context.

the argument isn't whether you agree that their parenting skills could use some work or if what the child said was inappropriate, but about OTC auto censor.

to me, what you wrote was in defense of the auto censor program's decision to change what i typed from the n word to black person because there is no way for the n word to be "good" but faggot sometimes can. i argue that the auto censor is inappropriate. that's what mod's are for. to read and decide on the content and context of our posts.

as for context in which the "n" word is appropriate...obviously i feel that in the context of what i originally typed it was appropriate. it put a parallel on how i felt the word faggot was used in the argument between the sister and her brother. "black person" does not draw that same parallel.

in what you wrote the "n" word was appropriate. saying "black person is wrong no matter how you say it." sounds stupid and doesn't get the point across.

i want a list of what the censor looks for, and what words it changes to what. who would i get that from?

 

[A.B.Normal]

i want a list of what the censor looks for, and what words it changes to what. who would i get that from?

Could try HERE I don't think fury would have changed it from the vbulletin defaults?After checking my link it doesn't look like there are defaults ,so you'll hafta ask fury .

 

[Gato_Solo]

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I'm not disagreeing with you on the use of the word in any context...

N i g g e r is wrong no matter how you say it, or in what context.

to me, what you wrote was in defense of the auto censor program's decision to change what i typed from the n word to black person because there is no way for the n word to be "good" but faggot sometimes can. i argue that the auto censor is inappropriate. that's what mod's are for. to read and decide on the content and context of our posts.

as for context in which the "n" word is appropriate...obviously i feel that in the context of what i originally typed it was appropriate. it put a parallel on how i felt the word faggot was used in the argument between the sister and her brother. "black person" does not draw that same parallel.

in what you wrote the "n" word was appropriate. saying "black person is wrong no matter how you say it." sounds stupid and doesn't get the point across.

i want a list of what the censor looks for, and what words it changes to what. who would i get that from?

No, no, no...I wrote out not a defense of what the autocensor does, but why it does it. I never said I agreed that the 'f' word was appropriate, just why the autocensor doesn't change it. Perhaps I explained it the wrong way for you. As for the 'N' word, I meant in everyday conversation. We can argue over how a definition is context or not, or we can agree that, in everyday conversation, the word has no good context.

 

[[b]]

context is not just the use of a word as per it's definition, but the feeling behind the use of the word. are you saying something with malicious intent or, as in my case, a way to get a point across? therefore i cannot agree that in everyday conversation the word has no good context. it depends on intent.

 

[Gato_Solo]

]context is not just the use of a word as per it's definition, but the feeling behind the use of the word. are you saying something with malicious intent or, as in my case, a way to get a point across? therefore i cannot agree that in everyday conversation the word has no good context. it depends on intent.

Exactly. Phew. I thought we were going to have another war there for a sec. We have a world where certain words will trigger certain responses, and that's the kind of thing I was trying to say when I mentioned context. If you're walking down the street and hear the 'f' word, I'm pretty sure your response would be about the same as mine if I heard the 'n' word. That's why the context doesn't really matter, and why I said that the way I did.

 

[Jeslek]

N i g g e r is wrong no matter how you say it, or in what context

I'm sorry, but that's crap. Context is everything. Nobody should be afraid of a word, but how that word is used.

I agree with b here. Nig-ger has a non-negative definition too, as produced by Merriam Webster:



Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
Date: 1700
1 usually offensive, see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive, see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers... all the people who feel left out of the political process -- Ron Dellums>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.



I ask the admins to remove the word nig-ger from the filters. If you don't, add everything else what Puter said and said and lets turn into a massively censored forum. Since I don't think thats what samcurry wants, just remove anything from the filters because this is hypocracy.