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unclehobart
New Member
*throws a tire on a roaring fire*
... how dare you insinuate America doesn't love momma Earth.
... how dare you insinuate America doesn't love momma Earth.
outside looking in
<b>Registered Member</b>
Putting a hydrogen distribution network in place for Iceland isn't that difficult (relatively).
Try putting a nationwide distribution network in place in the US.
Who's gonna foot that trillion dollar bill? Hydrogen is cool, but it's a catch 22 like most other promising technologies. It's not viable until there is an infrastrustrue to support it and it's produced in quantity, and it won't have an infrastructure or be produced in quantity until it's viable. Same with carbon composites... they're expensive right now, but would drop in price if they were used in volume for numerous applications, but they won't be used for those numerous applications until the price drops.
As always, it will simply take time for prices to trickle down until the point is reached where that final step isn't such a whammy.
Try putting a nationwide distribution network in place in the US.
Who's gonna foot that trillion dollar bill? Hydrogen is cool, but it's a catch 22 like most other promising technologies. It's not viable until there is an infrastrustrue to support it and it's produced in quantity, and it won't have an infrastructure or be produced in quantity until it's viable. Same with carbon composites... they're expensive right now, but would drop in price if they were used in volume for numerous applications, but they won't be used for those numerous applications until the price drops.
As always, it will simply take time for prices to trickle down until the point is reached where that final step isn't such a whammy.
ris
New Member
just to chuck a load of petrol onto the fire here is a link to a bbc report. it seems that the usa have finally come to the conclusion that the rest of us worked out 2 years ago. want to get with the reduced emmissions from fossil fuel wagon now?
lookit: us finally admits man does cause global warming
plus: japan ratify kyoto treaty and suggest us follow suit
here is a link to a bbc report. it seems that the usa have finally come to the conclusion that the rest of us worked out 2 years ago. want to get with the reduced emmissions from fossil fuel wagon now? lookit: us finally admits man does cause global warming
plus: japan ratify kyoto treaty and suggest us follow suit
StuTheWise
Member
Several years ago the US enstated a law that will require a certain # of cars sold in the US to have 0 emissions. I believe that law goes into affect in 2003(?) and the percentage increases each year.
Looking back on American history, they had electric cars racing against internal combustion counterparts in the early 1900's. Many electric cars did well enough to beat the majority of the internal combustion cars. If only those oil tycoons hadn't squished electric motor research all those years ago... who knows what might have been.
Looking back on American history, they had electric cars racing against internal combustion counterparts in the early 1900's. Many electric cars did well enough to beat the majority of the internal combustion cars. If only those oil tycoons hadn't squished electric motor research all those years ago... who knows what might have been.
outside looking in
<b>Registered Member</b>
I happen to agree with the US's refusal to go along with the Kyoto Protocol.
Not that something doesn't need to be done, but that just isn't it.
Not that something doesn't need to be done, but that just isn't it.
Jeslek
Banned
It is not petrol, it is gasoline (gas for short). Petrol refers to petroleum, which is the thick black liquid commonly called crude oil. You do not fill your car up with crude oil, but you DO fill it up with gasoline.
I too am happy that the United States did not sign the Koyoto thing.
I too am happy that the United States did not sign the Koyoto thing.
US admits huh?
Yeah right.
Spose when the Sun engulfs the earth when it hits red giant stage it will be mans fault also. O yea one day the sun will expand and the earth will hover right inside of the red giant a few miles in. Temps will be about 5000 deg. C on the surface of the earth? What do you think the OZONE will be like then. Dang CFC's
Yeah right.
Spose when the Sun engulfs the earth when it hits red giant stage it will be mans fault also. O yea one day the sun will expand and the earth will hover right inside of the red giant a few miles in. Temps will be about 5000 deg. C on the surface of the earth? What do you think the OZONE will be like then. Dang CFC's
ris
New Member
petrol is the uk word for gasoline, it's just a cultural difference.
'us admits', yes, that's what the article said:
"In a 268-page report submitted to the United Nations, the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) endorsed what many scientists have long argued - that human activities such as oil refining, power generation and car emissions are significant causes of global warming. "
whether or not you agree with the kyoto treaty or not it is the major option on the table right now and many countries are supporting it as a start. i think it's better to be part of the solution, involved in the debate and working toward a common goal.
why would the sun burning out be mans fault?
'us admits', yes, that's what the article said:
"In a 268-page report submitted to the United Nations, the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) endorsed what many scientists have long argued - that human activities such as oil refining, power generation and car emissions are significant causes of global warming. "
whether or not you agree with the kyoto treaty or not it is the major option on the table right now and many countries are supporting it as a start. i think it's better to be part of the solution, involved in the debate and working toward a common goal.
why would the sun burning out be mans fault?
DuronClocker
New Member
Whats the Kyoto thing anyways? ?(
ris
New Member
kyoto was an the united nations conference on climate change and was intended to ratify a global strategy to reduce harmful emissions into the atmosphere and attempt to slow global warming.
the initial treaty proposed a reduction, by 2012, of such emissions by an average of 5.2% of 1990 levels. this a small reduction but is seen by many as a significant first step in taking global environmental issues.
the initial treaty proposed a reduction, by 2012, of such emissions by an average of 5.2% of 1990 levels. this a small reduction but is seen by many as a significant first step in taking global environmental issues.
Gato_Solo
Out-freaking-standing OTC member
Actually, the electric vs infernal combustion racing was won mostly by gasoline-powered cars when the distances got longer, so it wasn't the oil companies that squashed the electric car...it was the battery companies . Storage has always been, and will always be, a problem with electric motors...Here's an interesting article on the issue.
. Storage has always been, and will always be, a problem with electric motors...Here's an interesting article on the issue.