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Justintime
5/04/02, 01:34pm
Montesano, Washington (AP) - Prosecutors in western Washington state want some unusual evidence in the case of a woman charged with child rape.
A judge is ordering suspect Dewanna Granberg to pose nude for evidence photos sought by prosecutors. The 35-year-old woman is accused of having sex with a 14-year-old boy who worked at her bowling alley.
Prosecutors said their case against Dewanna Granberg, who is charged with third-degree child rape, will be strengthened if the boy's description of her physical characteristics is confirmed by the photos.
Granberg, who was arrested in January, denies the allegations. Her lawyers argued that a search warrant demanding Granberg pose nude for police photographers was an invasion of their client's privacy.
But Superior Court Judge Mark McCauley said Tuesday that the photos may prove to be "fruitful evidence.'' Whether the boy can identify telling things about Granberg's body could be a "crucial'' element in the case, the judge said.
McCauley specified that Granberg's face not be visible in the photos and that only the prosecution and defense can have access to them. Whether a jury will see the photos will be decided later.
Here (http://www.ktul.com/showstory.hrb?f=n&s=40489&f1=nat)
outside looking in
5/04/02, 01:53pm
Interesting. :cool:
Let the world decide, we also want to see if the kid is telling the truth :D :D
:shrug: At least they aren't making her do it in the courtroom, they're giving her that dignity anyway. It seems it needs to be done, and if she is saying she's not guilty, one would think she'd be glad of the chance to prove it, no matter what it took.
The lady prolly is guilty....buuuuut, if she isn't, posing naked to prove her innocence is just throwing salt in the wounds. Would definately suck to be that lady if the kid just made the whole thing up.
Justintime
5/04/02, 04:54pm
if i were innocent in that situation, i'd have the kid beaten:D
or get him to strip nekid, publically :D
Justintime
5/04/02, 05:32pm
:eek: :D
Man, I knew I chose the wrong career path.
Shoulda been a judge.
outside looking in
5/04/02, 10:14pm
So, who gets to make the decision? If it were me, I guess it would depend on what she looks like. :D
Good point. If she's a woofer then they should find other sources of evidence or just get an artists impression or something.
MuFu.
MitchSchaft
5/05/02, 12:57am
if I was 14 and had a woman like that I would not tell on her:D
outside looking in
5/05/02, 02:19am
I'm sure the boy is thinking "but I don't want to press charges." Too bad it isn't his choice. :D
i bet the judge ain't complaining... :D
outside looking in
5/05/02, 02:04pm
Like I said... depends on what she looks like. :rofl2:
Justintime
5/05/02, 06:29pm
Originally posted by MitchSchaft
if I was 14 and had a woman like that I would not tell on her:D
ditto!! :headbang: :headbang:
outside looking in
5/05/02, 07:51pm
Originally posted by Justintime
Originally posted by MitchSchaft
if I was 14 and had a woman like that I would not tell on her:D
ditto!! :headbang: :headbang:
Well, I think it's the same as deciding whether to allow the nude pics or not... all depends on what she looks like. ;)
And here she is!!!!
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Justintime
5/05/02, 08:34pm
dude, i looked at that and future genertions of my blood line just diminished cause my sperms had a seizure and died :laugh:
outside looking in
5/05/02, 09:25pm
OMG. That hurts. :eek2: :crying2:
ewwww, not even an undersexed 14yo would go that far.... :eek:
outside looking in
5/06/02, 12:26am
god, that makes me cringe every time I see it. It's just... not right. I hope that pic is doctored. :D
MitchSchaft
5/06/02, 01:24am
LOL! That's the lady that had a lot of plastic surgery to look like a cat:D. She is crazy.
Gato_Solo
5/06/02, 09:34am
If this crime was a 35 year old man having sex with a 14 year old girl, people would be out in the streets screaming for the man's blood, and the man's face would be in every newspaper. Whay don't we hear people screaming for the woman's blood? Whay don't we see her face? Is this justice?
outside looking in
5/06/02, 10:44am
You know Gato, despite what some people want everyone to believe, there are differences between men and women... and not just in the way they look, but in the way they think. I can't think of many of my female friends that I would press charges against if they forceably tied me up and had their way with me.
Seriously.
I might think they were sick, or perhaps be forever attracted to them, but I wouldn't press charges.
On the other hand, I can't think of a single female friend that would not throw me in the slammer in a second if I did that to her.
I consider myself to be a normal, well adjusted guy, so if I feel this way I don't think it's uncommon.
And about that pic... she did that on purpose? :confuse3: :eek:
Gato_Solo
5/06/02, 11:03am
True, but a 35 year old woman and a 14 year old boy? Come on. Even women say that 14 year old girls are more emotionally mature than 14 year old boys. Sexual abuse is sexual abuse, regardless of gender. Once you make one less traumatic, or criminal, than the other, you make one gender superior to the other. No matter which way you decide, someone took advantage of a child.
You know Gato, despite what some people want everyone to believe, there are differences between men and women... and not just in the way they look, but in the way they think. I can't think of many of my female friends that I would press charges against if they forceably tied me up and had their way with me.
Joking, or not, this is still a criminal act if you are a minor, and she is an adult. Just as it would be if you are the 35 year old perpetrator and the victim is a 14 year old girl. Plus your picture would be on the evening news, and in the news paper, and on posters on telephone poles, and...etc. Please spare me the liberal 'men and women are different' bull. I know that men and women are different. I have another statement for you...'Equal under the law...'
As a woman, I agree with Gato, it's horrendous what she's done.
Any woman of that age would/should know that a 14 year old boy is a child. Hell, I'd venture to say that most 18 year old boys are children most of the time. :P :D
This is abuse, plain and simple, and there should be an outcry as there would be if a male was the perpetrator.
He may have enjoyed it, as would most 14 year old boys I think, but she had no right to do it, and he wasn't old enough legally or mentally to make that kind of decision. As the adult, she made the decision, and with that, she decided in favour of child abuse.
the notion of a sexually predatory female is still one that is not given enough credence.
Justintime
5/06/02, 12:23pm
Originally posted by L. Summerton
Hell, I'd venture to say that most 18 year old boys are children most of the time. :P :D
:rofl2: :rofl2:
i'd venture that most men remain as children well into their 20s, it's just disguised as youthful exhuberance :D
Professur
2/09/05, 05:40pm
Man, I knew I chose the wrong career path.
Shoulda been a judge.
http://www.otcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17976
Evidently, you're not the only one thinking that way ....
Yeah, this definitely sounds like a case Donald Thompson would have loved to have presided over. :D
Gato_Solo
2/10/05, 02:37pm
What's wrong with these women??? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146971,00.html)
I'd ask instead, what's wrong with these teens?
Is not like she raped him :rolleyes:
Gato_Solo
2/10/05, 02:55pm
I'd ask instead, what's wrong with these teens?
Is not like she raped him :rolleyes:
Then you set the stage for every man accused of statuatory rape of a minor female to be released.
Maybe it's the age difference... (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146797,00.html) Where will you, personally, draw the line?
An officer may not have relations with an inferior officer or any enlisted personel. Teachers, being in similar situations, should be held to similar limitations. Power is the seperator.
Gato_Solo
2/10/05, 03:49pm
An officer may not have relations with an inferior officer or any enlisted personel.
In their chain of command. ;)
Teachers, being in similar situations, should be held to similar limitations. Power is the seperator.
Not quite the same thing. We have a line in society that seperates children from adults. That is what was crossed.
Having sex with a 15-16 yo with consent shouldn't be a crime.
Not quite the same thing. We have a line in society that seperates children from adults. That is what was crossed.
A 17 year old, in this situation, is not considered a child. I agree with the actual charge filed.
Gato_Solo
2/10/05, 05:13pm
Having sex with a 15-16 yo with consent shouldn't be a crime.
Why shouldn't it? Can most of these 15-16 year old children take care of a baby, finish school, and become a tax-paying member of society? How about rising above minimum wage? They aren't mature enough to handle the consequences. Hell...most 20 year olds aren't mature enough to handle the consequences. Now, add to the fact that the person doing the seduction is over twice the age of the person being seduced. Sorry Luis, but, in this case, your argument is a bad one.
This has nothing to do with birth control, either, so don't throw that in like it's 100% effective.
Why shouldn't it? Can most of these 15-16 year old children take care of a baby, finish school, and become a tax-paying member of society? How about rising above minimum wage? They aren't mature enough to handle the consequences. Hell...most 20 year olds aren't mature enough to handle the consequences. Now, add to the fact that the person doing the seduction is over twice the age of the person being seduced. Sorry Luis, but, in this case, your argument is a bad one.
This has nothing to do with birth control, either, so don't throw that in like it's 100% effective.
I have no argument, just an opinion. And I remain the same, they are old enough to consent about their body.
Most girls and boys over there start having sex at the age of 13 isn't that true? I doubt this boy was a first timer. What's the big deal of having them (with consent) with someone who is older?
Most girls and boys over there start having sex at the age of 13 isn't that true? I doubt this boy was a first timer. What's the big deal of having them (with consent) with someone who is older?
Because our culture attempts to keep children dependent and impressionable -- ie. children -- longer than do most cultures. 13 year-olds may be running around having sex, doing drugs and piercing and tattooing every last body part, but that in and of itself doesn't make them mature adults. Generally, kids who are exposed to adulthood prematurely, in my opinion, are raised in dysfunctional families and will not fare well in life without a lot of struggle. It's bad enough that these kids are screwing around with kids their own age. To legalize a 55 year-old man having sex with a 13 year-old girl, for instance, is asking for a ton of trouble.
Because our culture attempts to keep children dependent and impressionable -- ie. children -- longer than do most cultures. 13 year-olds may be running around having sex, doing drugs and piercing and tattooing every last body part, but that in and of itself doesn't make them mature adults. Generally, kids who are exposed to adulthood prematurely, in my opinion, are raised in dysfunctional families and will not fare well in life without a lot of struggle. It's bad enough that these kids are screwing around with kids their own age. To legalize a 55 year-old man having sex with a 13 year-old girl, for instance, is asking for a ton of trouble.
Well put.
15-16 year olds do not have the foggiest idea what they want or need. The are on the cusp. With good parenting & morals, they'll pass go. With idiot parents they'll have 2 or three abortions.
BeardofPants
2/11/05, 02:04am
It all depends on the mentality of the teen in question as well. I've always been somewhat precocious. I started having sex when I was 14, moved out of home at 16 - put myself through school, and uni. I'm still with the guy I slept with at 14. We now live together in the apartment we bought. I was 24 when we bought it. :shrug:
Well that decides it BoP sez so
Let the ploinkin' of the 15 yr olds begin!!!!
BeardofPants
2/11/05, 02:37am
Whatchoo talkin' about Willis? It's already happening. :shrug:
Gato_Solo
2/11/05, 08:25am
Whatchoo talkin' about Willis? It's already happening. :shrug:
Not by 35 year old's it isn't...at least not yet. :rolleyes: You don't see this as a problem BoP?
It all depends on the mentality of the teen in question as well. I've always been somewhat precocious. I started having sex when I was 14, moved out of home at 16 - put myself through school, and uni. I'm still with the guy I slept with at 14. We now live together in the apartment we bought. I was 24 when we bought it. :shrug:
So, you are the exception proving the rule. I'd bet there aren't 50 like you in NZ...those born after 1970 & not forced into marriage.
BeardofPants
2/11/05, 04:05pm
Not by 35 year old's it isn't...at least not yet. :rolleyes: You don't see this as a problem BoP?
Like I said in my previous post, it depends on the maturity level of both lovers. One of my then 15 year old friends fell in love with a 40+ guy. It's been ten years now, and they're married, with a young boy.
Professur
2/11/05, 04:11pm
anyone for a slide down the slippy slope? Desensitizing at it's finest.
BeardofPants
2/11/05, 04:23pm
What slippery slope are we talking about? Having sex with girls under sixteen? If so, that's been in practice for a damned long time. Ever look outside the western world, and seen how young the girls are over there when they start having sex/getting married?
Professur
2/11/05, 04:40pm
And exactly how young would you say should be permitted here? 16? 14? 12? 6?
But, if they love each other, why should age matter? Or race? Or perhaps even breed?
BeardofPants
2/11/05, 04:47pm
You know, I just remembered why it's not worth debating with you. :rolleyes:
I never even clarified that far, I merely said that the maturity of the lovers was a good factor to take into consideration. Obviously there have to be limitations - the lovers have to be consensual (which rules out other non-sentient species), and the lovers should be post-pubescent. Physically, many teens are ready to have sex around the 12-13 range. Mentally, most of them are not, in terms of western perspectives anyway. However, that's not to say that all teens within a certain age-range think the same way. :shrug:
Professur
2/11/05, 04:59pm
You know, I just remembered why it's not worth debating with you. :rolleyes:
I never even clarified that far, I merely said that the maturity of the lovers was a good factor to take into consideration. Obviously there have to be limitations - the lovers have to be consensual (which rules out other non-sentient species), and the lovers should be post-pubescent. Physically, many teens are ready to have sex around the 12-13 range. Mentally, most of them are not, in terms of western perspectives anyway. However, that's not to say that all teens within a certain age-range think the same way. :shrug:
Not worth debating with me, eh? Why is that? because I demand facts instead of opinions? Fact number one. To make a law, it must have actual tangible limits. Like a set age. I was more than capable of safe drinking at 12. Legally, a bartender couldn't serve me until I was 18.
Children are physically capable of having sex as young as 4. So what? I can get anyone I want to consent to just about anything. And usually convince them that it's their own idea. Children easily so. A 14 year old, with raging hormones, rebelling against authority is easily the easiest target for a pervert that you could find. The laws aren't set because a bunch of grumpy old men decided that kids shouldn't have sex. They're set so, to give children enough time to grow up, and stop believing in Santa Claus and other fairy tales. And enough maturity to perhaps not be swayed by strangers waving candy under their noses.
Gato_Solo
4/23/05, 01:42pm
And Dewanna Granberg's picture is still nowhere to be found.
Gato_Solo
4/23/05, 05:38pm
Oh.
*stops googling*
I'm not looking for any nude photos. :rolleyes: A simple face-shot would do. After all. A photo of a man who did the crime would've still been circulating. ;)
Geez, ya thought I was looking for nude pics? Ya perv. I just wanted to see her mug. Not her jug.
Yeah, only those in court should be allowed to see Exhibit 36C.
Yeah, only those in court should be allowed to see Exhibit 36C.Bullshit, I should have access to them as well. I may have been abused when I was a child and repressed the memory. Seeing her jugs may bring that memory back so I can once again live a normal life. In fact, I should see every girls jugs, just in case.
Well, if I get hired onto a newspaper somewhere, I'll be sure to put in a Freedom of Information Act request to get the pics. :D
Gato_Solo
12/13/05, 05:38pm
Well, if I get hired onto a newspaper somewhere, I'll be sure to put in a Freedom of Information Act request to get the pics. :D
Well? I'm waiting...
They put this sleazeballs (http://www.foxnews.com/images/186592/0_21_lisaclark_childgroom.jpg) piccy up. Why not hers?
Source (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178544,00.html).
Professur
3/07/06, 05:02pm
Well, if I get hired onto a newspaper somewhere, I'll be sure to put in a Freedom of Information Act request to get the pics. :DC'mon Inky. We're still waiting.
I'll get right on that. :D
Gato_Solo
1/24/07, 12:03am
I'll get right on that. :D
Well...*handonhip
Gato_Solo
1/30/07, 05:14pm
We've got her (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,248676,00.html) picture...
If I'd been that 17-year-old, hell yeah I'd have done her.
freako104
1/30/07, 10:06pm
http://www.foxnews.com/images/258786/2_61_mccandless_carrie.jpg
Not bad
If I'd been that 17-year-old, hell yeah I'd have done her.
So would we all. Unfortunately, she was the one in a position of power & willing to abuse it.
17?
That's legal. It's 16 over here - i had assumed the age of consent was the same there?
To my mind if both are consenting then (here at least) it would be legal and morally no problem. (Technically anyway - you make your own judgement on that one. :shrug: )
There would be work / employment issues certainly, if this was done on a field trip or while he was still a pupil and she a teacher.
Btw - who didn't have any fanatasies about a school teacher?
(i didn't go to an all-boys school btw :D )
man - my German (language) teacher was incredible - and, er presumably would have been too :D
another btw - while i am at it -
my title is 'senior member' - does that change at 1,000 posts?
...:hmm:
it's making me feel old ...
... and the 'member' part don't help any!! :D
............
*whines, mutters and bangs the floor with walking stick*
92 more posts, BB.
In the meanwhile...swing your Shileighlag at em.
17?
That's legal. It's 16 over here - i had assumed the age of consent was the same there?
It varies by state (local issue) but generally it is 16.
To my mind if both are consenting then (here at least) it would be legal and morally no problem. (Technically anyway - you make your own judgement on that one. :shrug: )
There would be work / employment issues certainly, if this was done on a field trip or while he was still a pupil and she a teacher.
Generally, I agree with that but this woman was in a position of power (not only in the sack, preseumably). Sex with an underage student is foolish on her part & shows her lack of emotional control, which provides insight into her probable vindictiveness in the even of a break up, which leaves him in the hands of a power wielding bitch who is likely to make his future less rosy.
A college professor, in the same boat, should be equally disuaded but their choice is not, typically, a minor. A boss has less control over your entire future...assuming you choose to move on.
There have been lawsuits for less.
Gato_Solo
1/31/07, 12:59pm
I have no argument, just an opinion. And I remain the same, they are old enough to consent about their body.
Most girls and boys over there start having sex at the age of 13 isn't that true? I doubt this boy was a first timer. What's the big deal of having them (with consent) with someone who is older?
Are they? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16890769/site/newsweek/)
In California, the age of consent is 18. It's 14 in some other states, 16 in some others, 18 in many others. Additionally, there are laws that limit the age difference... for example, an 18-year-old having sex with a 17-year-old might be OK under the law but an 18-year-old and a 14-year-old wouldn't be. Those laws also vary by state.
Are they? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16890769/site/newsweek/)
That post was years ago, I've changed my mind. Now I think 16 (not 15-16) is the age of consent :P
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