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What...
The...
FUCK?!
:confuse3: That is just fucked up.
Arresting seven year olds? Charged with a felony? And the eight year old? For stepping on the principal's toe? Hopefully this is just a really big scare tactic on the part of the police.
That's about the only thing kids understand these days.
greenfreak
5/02/02, 05:55pm
Wow that's strange. I got stabbed with a pencil in my hand in third grade. The pencil point is still in it. The girl who did it, Kim, didn't get arrested. She and I are actually still friends. Even though she stabbed me. Nice friends I have, huh? ;)
I still have a piece of lead in my shoulder :(
I think it was fair. The alternative would have been to paddle his ass which the parents should of done long ago.
it makes me laugh, that boy will never touch a pencil in his entire life :D:D
Originally posted by greenfreak
Wow that's strange. I got stabbed with a pencil in my hand in third grade. The pencil point is still in it. The girl who did it, Kim, didn't get arrested. She and I are actually still friends. Even though she stabbed me. Nice friends I have, huh? ;)
I still have a pencil point in my hand too ... left palm actually. No one got arrested for that one either. People are nuts these days.
Come on now ... arresting an 8-yr old for stepping on the principals toe? Like that hurt :rolleyes:
Originally posted by L. Summerton
:confuse3: That is just fucked up.
Arresting seven year olds? Charged with a felony? ....what if... that was your kid...that got stabbed? ...what if... it wasn't a pencil? What if...the school didn't want to do a damn thing to help?
Who says it will be a pencil next time?
DuronClocker
5/03/02, 12:13am
Originally posted by greenfreak
Wow that's strange. I got stabbed with a pencil in my hand in third grade. The pencil point is still in it. The girl who did it, Kim, didn't get arrested. She and I are actually still friends. Even though she stabbed me. Nice friends I have, huh? ;)
I stabbed someone wit a pencil in 2nd grade. Well sorta. This girl, Tiffany, who came from the "extra-large" variety, would always try bein my friend and then bully me around, so one day she kept slamming her hand on my desk over and over...so I did what any good little 2nd grader would do :angel: and took my #2 pencil and stood it on my desk, pointy end up. Yeah, well she couldn't stop her hand and slammed her hand one too many times.. She never did tell the teacher, or even really cry, but I guess she told her dad who told my mom and I got grounded from my Super Nintendo for a week!
outside looking in
5/03/02, 12:25am
I think they should still beat the hell out of children in school. Corporal punishment all the way. Worked for me, don't know why they stopped. :D
I have an 8 year old and a 6 year old. I know the mentality. Kids do stuff. That happens. Two members right here with pencil stabbing in their past. Should duronclocker or greenfreak's friend have been jailed for a felony?
It's a dangerous time. This is the risk we take when we send our children out into the world. These days children are a lot more worldly and the danger is great, potential is there for something tragic in every school. I don't see, however, any seven year old being criminally responsible for his/her actions.
This child is on medication. Sounds as if he is troubled, so that is another reason to look for help for him rather than arresting him. Asinine to arrest a 7 year old, never mind a troubled one. To do what? Put him in jail? Unless the point is to get him away from the family and get him help. When you read about the 8 year old arrested there for stomping on the principal's foot, you have to wonder.
unclehobart
5/03/02, 01:45am
I think US law currently stands at 4 being the minimum age threshold for crime. Chasing someone down and stabbing them in the back regardless of the lethality of the implement is felonious aggravated battery. It will be handled by a juvinile court and the judge has broad discretion to lower the punishment barrier to be in line with the use of a pencil... but ramped back up for going against the whole class and taking stiff jabs at 3 others.
Half of US kids are on meds these days. Damn ritalin is being overused.
outside looking in
5/03/02, 01:51am
I think the 8 year old should have stomped on the foot of that vice principle who lifted the girl's skirts in public...
:headbang:
Originally posted by *Q*
Originally posted by L. Summerton
:confuse3: That is just fucked up.
Arresting seven year olds? Charged with a felony? ....what if... that was your kid...that got stabbed? ...what if... it wasn't a pencil? What if...the school didn't want to do a damn thing to help?
But it wasn't.
Would you, if you were a policewoman, arrest someone for whacking a friend over the head with a newspaper in jest because it could've been a baseball bat and it could've been in aggravated assault?
The point is, don't accuse someone of being a danger unless they really show the potential to be a danger to the people surrounding them. This is a 7 year old kid who didn't want to share his crayons and got mad and started swinging a pencil around, not a criminal mastermind planning to take over the world.
If it was my kid that got stabbed with a pencil, I would tell him to suck it up, wounds heal, and then I would hope the stabber kid's parents wake the hell up and see that they have some work to do. An undisciplined child isn't my problem and I wouldn't intend to let it be, nor would I try to make it my concern to interfere in that kid's life. The kid could've been isolated from the other students, or sent to the principal's office to cool down for a bit, but instead they let him remain with the other students, and when trouble arose, they went straight to pondering expulsion and charging him with a crime. If there were past discipline problems which were not resolved, then it is the parent's responsibility to take on, but the school still should have gone through the proper steps to try to make sure that while the discipline problems had continued, he was not in the position to hurt other students. That is generally what most schools do.
Don't get me wrong, the kid does need to be disciplined for this, but the police and the school are taking this out of proportion. It is a freaking KID who hasn't been taught what not to do by his parents. NOT some bad ass motherfucker who shoves knives through people's hearts for some evil pleasure. He needs to be whipped by his parents before he turns into one, though, but he should still have the privilege to stay in school, maybe in an isolated room, but it's better than no education at all.
LOL!
Hopefully he'll just end up with a ticking off, you never know, a bit of scare tactics might do him some good, but I do agree with Fury, it's not as if he did any real harm. I know I used to come away from school with alot more than just "red marks" almost evey day :rolleyes:
The point is, don't arrest someone unless they really show the potential to be a danger to the people surrounding them. This is a 7 year old kid who didn't want to share his crayons and got mad and started swinging a pencil around, not a criminal mastermind planning to take over the world.
You would be suprised how little it does take in real life.
The kid is obviously mentally disturbed and needs counseling.
Fury, you might feel the need to defend him because he is about the same age as your brothers, but you have to realise the other kids he went after with a pencil have the right to feel safe in the classroom. If they were to let this go, this kid might get the idea he can do anything and not get into trouble. It really is for the best to deal with it now to give him some sense of right and wrong.
Stomping on toes is one thing and stabbing is another. I have been stabbed with a pencil many times when I was in Jr. High School. I was not very big in those days and people used to use me as a punching bag. I know how it feels.
This may sound a little controversial, but obviously the kid has not been brought up responsibly.
Yelling because he didn't want to share his crayons? Fuck me, I'd feel like smacking the little shitebag round the head! :mad2:
He's obviously been raised in an environment where he's been the centre of attention, i.e. where he's never had to share, never had to want for anything; just clicked his fingers, and someone would come running.
Sounds to me like the kid needs a crack round the head once in a while, and before anyone goes off on one about child abuse, blah, blah, blah..., it wouldn't be about child abuse. It'd be about parental control on your children, and making sure they don't turn into spoilt little bastards, who whinge and whine the moment they have to do something for themselves or someone else.
I got brought up in what I thought was one of the strictest environments there was; things like eating with utensils held in the proper way may not seem a big deal, but if my elbow was to even scrape the table, I'd get a tap to the head. Another regular occurence was me getting back from 6th form (college), and finding the clothes from my draws scattered round my room, because "they weren't tidy".
It really made me think about my personal habits, cos although I hated my stepdad for doing it at the time, you can bet your bottom dollar I get on with him just fine now, because he taught me self-respect, and respect for other people and property. I'm now 18. I have a very decent social life, good appearance ('part from the damn spots :mad: ;)), and people like me. They like me because I am who I am, I speak my mind, and I get on with people. I share my possessions (I have people in my room quite a lot of the time, I buy the girls in my flat dinner from time to time, whenever I'm in the flat, anyone can use my stuff, etc...), and I don't take shit from anyone.
Conclusion: they're not afraid of me, because there's no need to be afraid of me. They talk to me and get on with me. If they don't want to, then fine, but I try my hardest (and it's not the hardest thing in the world), and I'm respected for this.
I think this is what this kid needs - not a "boot camp" way of life, but a real slap round the face and be told to smarten up, because he has no self-discipline, self respect, or respect for anyone else. Furthermore, it'd be a lot cheaper than just throwing a bottle of pills at the poor kid. It's IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTING.
Can anyone disagree with me here? If so, WHY?
And yes, If I was that substitute teacher, I'd probably be charged with felony now, because I'd slap the little fuckwit. As I said, I don't take shit from anyone, let alone a bratty little 7-year-old.
So ends my rant/lecture/insight into my background.
Rock on :headbang:
Jon
Justintime
5/03/02, 05:57am
good man, i agree alot with your 'little' statement :)
Originally posted by RecklessLeper
I'd feel like smacking the little shitebag round the head! :mad2:
the kid needs a crack round the head once in a while
I think this is what this kid needs - not a "boot camp" way of life, but a real slap round the face.
I'd slap the little fuckwit.
I think you have an agression problem just like that 7-year old. :D
But I do agree mostly with your thoughts, although there are other forms of discipline besides physical abuse. ;)
Through various forms, I channel that aggression (sports, work, etc...), but I'm just a hyper fucking nutcase (hell, who'd do a 13-hour night shift then go to uni (albeit for 1 hour - then collapse on the bus back home)? :headbang: :D)
True, there are other forms of discipline, but this one is by far the most effective. It's just a case of not abusing the power, and exercising self-discipline while dishing out punishment. :)
I'm not a kiddie-basher, btw, nor do I condone it, but I just feel that too many parents take the soft option with their kids these days.
Oh, and I ask people to read my whole post before making any replies, not just the bits where I sound like Charles Bronson. ;) :D
SB, thank you for your criticism, mate; noted and appreciated, you *reaches for medication to come down from hyper mod* :D:D:D
Rock on :headbang:
Jon
I read your entire post. I just picked out the lines where you threatened to bash the child's head in for my quote, which helped justify my comments. :D
Justintime
5/03/02, 07:52am
you'd make a good tabloid journalist
Originally posted by Justintime
you'd make a good tabloid journalist
Thank you! :D
Originally posted by sbcanada
I read your entire post. I just picked out the lines where you threatened to bash the child's head in for my quote, which helped justify my comments. :D
The thing about reading the entirety of my post wasn't aimed at you, SB. :)
It's just so frustrating when I see things like this, and the parents wonder why their child is like they are! They must get it from somewhere...
As I said, I'm no kiddie-basher, nor do I condone it, and I wouldn't ever bash a kid's head in. Sure, I'd give 'em a clip round the head or a slap on the legs or something, but surely most parents do this, don't they? I must stress though, it's a matter of giving out the punishment with self-control .
Jon
So smack them around in moderation? :headbang:
Yeah, only when necessary. Surely drugs will damage the child's health much, much more than a slap round the legs, or an occasional clip round the head? :)
Gato_Solo
5/03/02, 10:23am
The boy has had discipline problems in the past but has never attacked other students, school officials said.
If this child has been an on-going discipline problem, I can see where this incident was blown out of proportion, but, fact is, he should have been arrested. What if that pencil had gone into someone's eye? That would be a whole different story, or would it?
Originally posted by s4
You would be suprised how little it does take in real life.
The kid is obviously mentally disturbed and needs counseling.
Fury, you might feel the need to defend him because he is about the same age as your brothers, but you have to realise the other kids he went after with a pencil have the right to feel safe in the classroom.
I didn't say they didn't, and that is why I am curious as to why the school didn't isolate the kid from the other students. Usually when a discipline problem arises in which there is a potential for aggravation (i.e. other students), the school remedies that problem by removing the kid from the surroundings. It would work out well for both parties. The students in the classroom would be and feel safe, and the stabber kid wouldn't have anybody to stab, so this whole thing would've been avoided as easily as moving him to a desk in another room.
If they were to let this go, this kid might get the idea he can do anything and not get into trouble. It really is for the best to deal with it now to give him some sense of right and wrong. Never in my post did I say to let it go. In fact I said he SHOULD be disciplined. But the officials are taking it way out of proportion. Just 5-6 years ago, schools never would have dreamed of this kind of action against something as childish as a pencil stabbing. They, instead, would have either used a paddle on the kid, warned him of expulsion, or brought a policeman in for a scare job. Usually one of those three worked (I would know, I've experienced all 3 of them)
Stomping on toes is one thing and stabbing is another. I have been stabbed with a pencil many times when I was in Jr. High School. I was not very big in those days and people used to use me as a punching bag. I know how it feels.
Believe it or not, even as big as I was in school, I was still not the biggest, and I was still picked on just as much as you were. I also know how it feels. And I still think the kid is getting a shaft that he doesn't deserve. He should be whipped in front of the parents whose kids he stabbed, and suspended for 5-10 days, and then that should be that.
Originally posted by outside looking in
I think the 8 year old should have stomped on the foot of that vice principle who lifted the girl's skirts in public...
:headbang:
I second that motion :headbang:
outside looking in
5/03/02, 06:04pm
:D
I think he should undergo mental counseling and kept out of school until it is determined he is fit to return.
I also think his parents should be checked to see if there is something that they are doing that caused this behaviour.
the single most important issue here is
HE'S 7 YEARS OLD[/SIZ]
Originally posted by Gonz
the single most important issue here is
HE'S 7 YEARS OLD[/SIZ]
Exactly!!!!! :headbang:
outside looking in
5/04/02, 02:52am
Aren't parents responsible for the behavior of their children (as far as criminal acts are concerned) to some degree under a certain age?
Is anything being done to the parents... questioning, anything?
As ridiculous as it sounds to arrest a 7 yo, it may have been the fastest way to get the kid some additional help from the state. My guess would be, this kid has had discipline issues in the past. The school most likely called the cops, but it was the cops who made the determination to actually follow through and arrest the kid. I just can't see the cops being real hip on the idea of having a little kid in the back of the cruiser heading to central booking.
The schools have very limited resources to deal with extremely difficult behavior. Especially elementary schools. There are special schools for emotionally handicapped kids, but the process to get a kid into one is usually very long and drawn out. My guess would be arresting the kid cut to the chase, so the kid could be placed in a special school immediately (or at least faster) where he will get the help he needs and he won't be a danger to the kids in the regular school.
Limited resources? How hard could it be to move a kid to another room, or out to the hallway? :confuse3:
Who is gonna teach him in another room or out in the hall? I'm talking about a long term solution. Not punishment. If the kid has ADD or ADHD, punishment will have little or no effect on him anyway.
outside looking in
5/04/02, 02:00pm
:confuse3:
My desk was in the hallway for the entire semester of Geometry in high school. I had this thing with the teacher.. we didn't get along so well. :D
Of course, I didn't really have to look at the book much do zip through the course, and she knew that, so the education part wasn't a problem. I usually just roamed the hallways during that class. :headbang:
I stabbed two people in school with a pencil. I also had a real "KNIFE" pulled on me too by a much older kid.
One person I stabbed was a very old kid about two years older than me. What they were doing was pushing me down on the ground and everytime I got up they would push me down again. After about the 5th time I pulled out a pencil and stuck it in one of the kids back. They never did that to me again.
Another time the kid was my age. All through class he was kicking my desk hard basically bugging the shit out of me. So after about a half hour of his BS I stuck my pen in his leg. Never the less he left me alone after that.
I used to have to take ritalin too for a year but most of the time I spit it out. I got straight A's but the teacher could not handle me so she demanded I take ritalin. After the ritalin started I got C's and D's mostly after that. That shit is a neuro toxin. I am a Geochem major with a very high interest in pharmaceuticals. i did Organic Chemical Research for a semester and I know that anything of that nature will eventually cause nerve damage in the brain and retard growth.
This world is turning into one big shitty pisshole. Tha is all there is too it. I found out I probably needed to eat more meat/proteins in the mornings before I went to school and i possibly had a Iron deficiancy. Both of these things can cause children to have ADD. Now days I make sure to eat a good portion of meat in the morn upon waking. When I don't I feel pretty listless and tired and my attention span is shortend.
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