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The Bush administration is plotting a potential major air campaign and ground invasion early next year to topple the Iraqi government of President Saddam Hussein, the New York Times reported in Sunday editions.
The use of 70,000 to 250,000 troops is being considered, the Times said.
READ ABOUT IT HERE (CNN.COM) (http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/04/27/us.iraq/index.html)
the story misses the entire point. there will be no invasion/Hussein ass-kicking until after the mid-term elections.
Who says Hussein is the one who is going to get his ass kicked if it happens? The word Vietnam suddenly comes to mind. I don't believe the US populace is willing to support a war with Iraq if it means sending a large number of soldiers home in bodybags.
The Police Action in Vietnam was a political hot potato. Nobody supported it because there was no threat to America. Iraq, however, is a threat to us & our immediate interests. MOst people wondered why we didn't take care of business during the reign of King George the first. There will be support. We didn't lose Vietnam, we quit.
The US got it's ass kicked in Vietnam and ran away.
Shadowfax
4/28/02, 05:53pm
The US QUIT Vietnam? Hahahaha!
OMFG! I can't believe someone like you Gonz would make such a short-sighted comment! The US lost bigtime in Vietnam, and it admitted that it did.
No way the US just simply "quit" in Vietnam.
The support by the people to win was not there. I am not sure it is there against Iraq either.
Professur
4/28/02, 08:45pm
A war against Iraq would be the biggest debacle since the russians tried to take Afganistan. Hussien might be a dictator. He might be a madman. But he has public support. The taliban never did. Any invading force would be under constant guerrila assault.
If the U.S. does go in with troops, they're gonna need to bomb all the Iraqi military capabilities with cruise missiles first, and when they go in, they're gonna need those 250,000 troops, tanks, bombers, and of course, their Canadian and British allies. :D
Otherwise, it could be another Vietnam. Desert Storm 2 anyone? ;)
If the US goes against Hussein in the way they went after N Vietnam, I agree with Prof. If they go after Hussein to win, then win we shall do. The public disagreed with the war because of politics followed by images in their living room. There was no reason to fight except paranoia about communism. In Iraq, there is reason. There is also reason to go into Iran. Personally, I think Saudi should be on that list.
Yes Shadowfax, we quit. Look through it's history, we won the battles & lost the war. Here's an interesting, brief & concise timeline- http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/ - that puts much of it in perspective.
I wonder... if I start military training now, if I'd be sent to Iraq next year... I'd love to be the one to have the honor of snipering Hussein's fat head. :D
That assumes that Canada sends ground troops...
Originally posted by professur
A war against Iraq would be the biggest debacle since the russians tried to take Afganistan. Hussien might be a dictator. He might be a madman. But he has public support. The taliban never did. Any invading force would be under constant guerrila assault.
A guerilla attack from what; sand dunes? The best guerilla war is in the mountains. In the desert they are turned to ashes with the BLU bombs. What dipshits.
AlladinSane
4/29/02, 12:18am
Originally posted by ol' man
A guerilla attack from what; sand dunes?
No from buildings. Or you really think you can level the cities? Or sewers?
Justintime
4/29/02, 12:26am
Originally posted by sbcanada
I wonder... if I start military training now, if I'd be sent to Iraq next year... I'd love to be the one to have the honor of snipering Hussein's fat head. :D
That assumes that Canada sends ground troops...
you'd pee your pants at the first sight of a real war :)
Originally posted by AlladinSane
Originally posted by ol' man
A guerilla attack from what; sand dunes?
No from buildings. Or you really think you can level the cities? Or sewers?
Sure!
Originally posted by Justintime
you'd pee your pants at the first sight of a real war :)
:mad:
Shadowfax
4/29/02, 05:59am
I wonder if it would be the right thing to do when invading Iraq.
Allright, Hussein is a dictator, and he has done and is doing things he shouldn't. But he is quite predictable. He wouldn't attack the US, because he knows that is a war he just cannot win.
When the US invades Iraq, and kicks Husseins butt, they'd better make sure to get rid of all the extreme Hussein supporters. Those people are a genuine thread to the US, because we don't know what they would do if they have control over Iraq.
Shadowfax
4/29/02, 06:03am
A very interesting link you gave there, Gonz!
Thanks.
Gato_Solo
4/29/02, 09:44am
We have had the capability to level cities from the air for approximately 60 years. Fortunately, we've become much wiser since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Most people who want to go to war have never been. The ones who are most brave before the first shot is fired are the ones who get killed. trust me on this...military folks do not like war. It's not because we're lazy, and it's not because we're afraid. It's because we know who's first in harms way.
I think that if the US were to occupy Iraq, many Arabs around the world would turn on the US, and we would have terror attack after terror attack just like they have in Israel. Don't forget there is a large number of people of Arab desent in this country that are citizens. Many of them would feel compelled to side with their counterparts overseas.
Gato_Solo
4/29/02, 11:50am
That's happening already...
unclehobart
4/29/02, 11:57am
Iraq cannot be a Vietnam. 1. They have like 1/6 the the population of vietnam. 2. There are no superpowers feeding them supplies. China and Russia aren't going to supply them. 3. There are no jungles to hide in. 4. We won't be jerked around by a corrupt puppet government ally 5. This is a straight up military army to army fight, not geurilla warfare. 6. No draft. A pure professional army means the morale is mush better. 7. The populace in the US is rather hawkish and isn't protesting like the 60s. 8. US tech was an overwhelming success 11 years ago. US tech has improved during that time, Iraq tech has not. 9. Iraq military morale is very low. Its a conscript army. They didn't believe in the fight and they didn't believe that they could survive the combined discipline assault. They don't have as many tanks or artillery anymore... certainly no planes. 10. Iraq is 1/3 the size of Vietnam.
All Iraq can hope for is that the other muslim nations will dive in and help. It didn't happen last time. Iran tech is almost WW2 quality with no training or coordination. It would be like fighting the North Koreans in '51. Kuwait hates them. Saudi Arabia has only 5 million people and has no love for Iraq. Turkey is large and relatively powerful... but also the most western and quite rational. Pakistan is unorganized rabble wherin 80% of their effort goes towards india. Syria is nutso and has a decent military... but theyve been stung too many times. They know that they cant feed their populace for very long when the going gets rough. Their industrial capacity is almost nil.
I think they all understand that once hostilities start that our airforce will be moving around with utter impunity. They haven't designed impregnable power grids or fuel reserves. Within the first week 80 % of the populations will be in utter darkness and no trucks will roll. The governments mat talk tough... just remember that they keep the populace in the dark for the most part. All they want is food, water, and sleep.. very hard to get in wartime.
AlladinSane
4/29/02, 07:41pm
Don't forget that people will not blame Saddam for the invasion this time. Last time they had invaded Kuwait and were paying the price. This time they would feel like being invaded without any reason (which is partially true). Never underestimate people fighting for their homes.
Originally posted by Gonz
There was no reason to fight except paranoia about communism. In Iraq, there is reason.
Yeah, paranoia about terrorism.
MitchSchaft
4/29/02, 08:03pm
The US QUIT Vietnam?
Yes, we quit. Read your facts, man.
The Bush administration is plotting a potential major air campaign and ground invasion early next year to topple the Iraqi government of President Saddam Hussein, the New York Times reported in Sunday editions.
The use of 70,000 to 250,000 troops is being considered, the Times said.
Where do you get a silly idea like that? Never gonna happen.
this war is the dumbest thing since george bush
unclehobart
3/21/03, 01:27am
Inside of 2 years, you will eat those words.
AlladinSane
3/21/03, 09:18am
Inside of 2 years, you will eat those words.
Why do you think so?
Would you like to explain to me how Saddam is shooting missiles that he supposedly doesn't have at Kuwait City? Perhaps we're all suffering from mass delusions?
Oh sorry, did you believe all that crap about his not having them? :rolleyes:
AlladinSane
3/21/03, 10:06am
Who said they didn't have them?
unclehobart
3/21/03, 10:40am
Inside of 2 years, you will eat those words.
Why do you think so? All of the money made by the government went into the military, the luxury palace structures, and into the pockets of the 100+ people that rules the country. Now that the totalitarian drain on resources will be lifted... or at least modified, and the general sanctions lifted; I would expect that the infrastructure would improve drastically. Aid would flow in. Its a dramatic reversal of the way things were.
I do expect a totalitarian variant to some degree ... but surely not to the extenet that it used to be. A good bit of the damage would be rebuilt. Sweetheart trade contracts will be set up. The military would be modest in size, and not a drain on the economy. The money will go from a trickle to a nice steady flow. Put some food on the table and a few dinar in the pockets of the common man with real goods available for purchase on the market .. and things will brighten up nicely.
AlladinSane
3/21/03, 11:52am
And in the end they'll have so much debts that all their oil won't pay them.
I'll wait to see. Wouldn't dream so much if I was you though...
Kinda funny. I've already seen footage of Iraqi's shaking the hands of American imperilaists to thank them for FREEDOM
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