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Edit: usually I can edit the title if I screw it up. Should be "prepare". :shrug:
Glenn Beck Sponsor Sows Seeds of Fear
(March 9) -- "Crisis" and "garden" are two words that don't normally go together. But this is about Glenn Beck's TV show, where conventional thinking often doesn't apply. His latest advertiser on the Fox News program sells seeds to help people survive impending totalitarianism.
Survival Seed Bank's pitch should be familiar to Beck's viewers -- "Are you worried about the economy?" -- only the product is different. Although the popular program lost sponsors after the host called President Barack Obama a racist, it's held on to those that target people who worry about big government and a financial collapse, such as the gold coin dealer Goldline.
"Are you ever worried that the politicians and the bankers are going to bring the whole thing crashing down?" asks the commercial that first aired on Beck's show Monday. It goes on to explain that "in an economic meltdown, non-hybrid seeds could become more valuable than even silver and gold" and will be "the ultimate barter item."
The ad is mild compared to what's on Survival Seed Bank's Web site.
"You don't have to be an Old Testament prophet to see what's going on all around us. A belligerent lower class demanding handouts. A rapidly diminishing middle class crippled by police state bureaucracy. An aloof, ruling elite that has introduced us to an emerging totalitarianism which seeks control over every aspect of our lives. As the meltdown progresses, one of the first things to be affected will be our nation's food supply ... If you don't have the ability to grow your own food next year, your life may be in danger."
For $150, the company will sell you packages of 22 varieties of seeds -- enough to plant an acre of beans, tomatoes, corn, lettuce and more in a "crisis garden." And these aren't just any seeds. They are "super seeds, grown by small, fiercely independent farmers" in "remote plots, far from the prying eyes of the big hybrid seed companies," according to Survival Seed Bank. It claims most companies sell only genetically modified "terminator" seeds that won't reproduce themselves.
The company was already advertising on several conservative talk radio shows, as well as the Drudge Report, but the commercial on Beck's TV show fits right in with "the host's apocalyptic visions of the future," observed Oliver Wills of Media Matters for America.
"There's nothing wrong with a business that serves some kind of demand in the marketplace, but it goes without saying that fearmongering about economic collapse followed by food shortages ... is big-time black helicopter stuff," Wills said.
On the site Starboard Broadside, blogger "Cpt. Robespierre" played along with the Big Brother agricultural conspiracy theory. "What I don't understand is how it would be good to have non-hybrid/non-genetically-modified seeds when the World Government's Black Helicopters could use their chemtrails to dump Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds across the land until all conventional crops cross-bred into World Government-approved genetically engineered crops that require you to purchase State-Produced Pesticides."
Survival Seed Bank is far from the only seed company that's capitalizing on public anxieties fed by talk show hosts like Beck. There are even online buying guides and reviews of various vendors.
But for all the scary talk and promises of bountiful harvests amid disaster, are survival seeds worth the money? John Wells of the Web site @DecorLicious looked into that last month and found most of what's being sold to plant "crisis gardens" is nothing special -- just "whatever seeds the people could buy the cheapest in bulk and resell."
For those who feel the need to stockpile seeds just in case Beck is on to something, Wells recommended cutting out the middleman and buying them yourself during end-of-season sales at retail stores. Place your seeds in a durable, waterproof container, Wells advised, "then put the container back and wait for the end of the world as we know it!"
http://www.aolnews.com/the-point/article/glenn-beck-sponsor-sows-seeds-of-fear/19389694
Only $150 to ensure your survival at the official site (http://www.survivalseedbank.com/). ;)
Do you garden? Do you use hybrids? I see nothing wrong with this at all.
You see nothing wrong with fear mongering to rip people off?
You can buy heirloom seeds for a couple bucks a pack or less at any number of places.
You see nothing wrong with fear mongering to rip people off?
You can buy heirloom seeds for a couple bucks a pack or less at any number of places.
I am ignorant on such prices for heirloom seeds. However, it is always a good idea to be self-sustaining especially now.
They're cheap...though difficult to get, unless you collected them yourself. My seed collection is pretty good..comes from close to 20 years with a garden in my backyard...and trading with neighbours. eBay is a decent place to get heirloom seeds...cheap too. Go one season, collect from the best veg (where you can) of that season, and you have enough to produce quite a bit more the next season. A book about refreshing your local soil, which plants grow best together, natural pesticides and deterrant plants etc... would serve you better.
A book on wild fungi, plants, roots etc..better still. Especially in the case of Zombie attacks etc..
Do you garden? Do you use hybrids? I see nothing wrong with this at all.
This bit is scary
"You don't have to be an Old Testament prophet to see what's going on all around us. A belligerent lower class demanding handouts. A rapidly diminishing middle class crippled by police state bureaucracy. An aloof, ruling elite that has introduced us to an emerging totalitarianism which seeks control over every aspect of our lives. As the meltdown progresses, one of the first things to be affected will be our nation's food supply ... If you don't have the ability to grow your own food next year, your life may be in danger."
"Oh don't worry. It'll never happen here..."
riiiiight :eek6:
Professur
3/15/10, 02:29pm
Scaring people for fun and profit? Isn't that the whole point of the climate change agenda?
honestly, they probably believe every word of what they say. I know many 'survivalists' who feel the same. And frankly, if you believe in climate change, you do to, whether you know it or not.
but regardless of whether or not you believe in climate change, gov't prostitution or any other other fear tactic, it's only smart to not let prime growing land go to waste. WWII, Victory gardens were common and encouraged. Today they're not because heaven forbid you eat something the gov't hasn't managed to tax yet.
not only do you manage to get some 'free' food, you control what goes into it. Why pay twice as much for 'organic' veggies when you can grow them yourself and not bother having to check the label. I'm partial to berry bushes myself. Low maintenance, comes back every year without any effort on my part, and also provides concealment for shut off valves, in-ground wire boxes and the like. Hell, replace a hedgerow or privet with gooseberries and I challenge anyone to crash it. Flowers smell prettier than roses too (and I'm not allergic to them either)
Prunus spinosa - Sloe Berries - and as a plus, you can enjoy some nice gin while you watch someone scream their way through your bushes :)
mmmm, slooooooe berry ginnnn.
That was my favorite between my birthday (4 nov) and thanksgiving,
when it then moved up to wild turkey.
MrsBish's family mix it with Annis to make Pacharan...damn good stuff :)D
$150... for 22 packets of seeds to plant 1 acre? Wow... what a rip off. But I have to hand it to them if they're making enough cash to advertise on that show.
"There's one born every minute," P.T. Barnum.
Oh, hey... I have extra seeds from this year's planting left over. I should sell them on Ebay for $1 a seed. :horse:
Solutions From Science...
http://www.solutionsfromscience.com/
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Credit-Debt-Services/Solutions-From-Scien/solutions-from-science-the-d-2cbdf.htm
http://local.yahoo.com/info-31751307-solutions-from-science-thomson
I find it hilarious that this company has been in business since at least during the GW Bush administration. LOL!!! :lol: :rofl:
$150... for 22 packets of seeds to plant 1 acre? Wow... what a rip off. But I have to hand it to them if they're making enough cash to advertise on that show.
"There's one born every minute," P.T. Barnum.
Oh, hey... I have extra seeds from this year's planting left over. I should sell them on Ebay for $1 a seed. :horse:
This is another prime example of what gov. has done.
Real natural organic seeds, that can actually make more usable seed, is
somewhat harder to find, and as you can see, way more expensive.
I have just a few different types, but mostly, I buy new genetically altered every year.
Especially natural organic corn is hard hard to get.
Valk, I think you might have been the one that posted on PiL about
that corn debacle.
It's still going on.
This is another prime example of what gov. has done.
What has the government done to seeds? I would see it has something private companies like Monsanto have done. They make crap like their "roundup ready" seeds and then sue small farms when their seeds pollenate neighboring farms.
Real natural organic seeds, that can actually make more usable seed, is
somewhat harder to find, and as you can see, way more expensive.
They're all over the internet for a couple bucks a pack. This company is just trying to scare the gullible that the apocalypse is near or something for massive profit.
Scaring people for fun and profit? Isn't that the whole point of the climate change agenda?
No, the whole point of that is for people to act responsibly towards the environment to curb known problems.
This is another prime example of what gov. has done.
Real natural organic seeds, that can actually make more usable seed, is
somewhat harder to find, and as you can see, way more expensive.
I have just a few different types, but mostly, I buy new genetically altered every year.
Especially natural organic corn is hard hard to get.
Valk, I think you might have been the one that posted on PiL about
that corn debacle.
It's still going on.
Don't be fooled. My neighbor and I go in on organic and/or heirloom seeds all the time. It is not as expensive as what this company is selling it for. Trust me.
Some examples of legitimate seed companies:
http://www.southernexposure.com/catalog.p.html
http://www.ansonmills.com/
Some great advice can be found at Mother Earth News...
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening.aspx
(I subscribe)
Are they overpriced? Yea, probably. Is that illegal or unethical? Not on your life. Caveat Emptor. It's a decent seed catalog, especially considering it it's not hybrid. I quit buying hybrid seeds a couple of years ago for this exact reason.
Bish....don't eat & you life will be in danger.
Are they overpriced? Yea, probably. Is that illegal or unethical? Not on your life.
Illegal? No. Unethical? Maybe.
Their marketing tactic is irrational fear. If I don't buy your incredibly overpriced seeds what will I barter for my Mad Max clothes after the apocalypse and zombie invasion? What is sad is that it's probably a good fit for Beck advertising and they'll probably rip off quite a large number of fools.
What has the government done to seeds? I would see it has something private companies like Monsanto have done. They make crap like their "roundup ready" seeds and then sue small farms when their seeds pollenate neighboring farms.
They're all over the internet for a couple bucks a pack. This company is just trying to scare the gullible that the apocalypse is near or something for massive profit.
Monsanto is in with the gov.
They are private only to an extent. (follow the money)
They couldn't have any grounds to sue if the gov. hadn't been lobbied to give it to them.
Don't be fooled. My neighbor and I go in on organic and/or heirloom seeds all the time. It is not as expensive as what this company is selling it for. Trust me.
Some examples of legitimate seed companies:
http://www.southernexposure.com/catalog.p.html
http://www.ansonmills.com/
Some great advice can be found at Mother Earth News...
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening.aspx
(I subscribe)
I'll be checking those linkies out.
Thanks :headbang:
Bish....don't eat & you life will be in danger.
Sure...but the thought that I will not be able to buy food from local grocery stores next year because...they won't exist? It's worst than laugheable...it's an outright lie.
they'll probably rip off quite a large number of fools.
Caveat Emptor (hey, deja vu)
Sure...but the thought that I will not be able to buy food from local grocery stores next year because...they won't exist? It's worst than laugheable...it's an outright lie.
The date may change but the possibility is there.
Professur
3/17/10, 04:44pm
Sure...but the thought that I will not be able to buy food from local grocery stores next year because...they won't exist? It's worst than laugheable...it's an outright lie.
I take it you haven't heard that Stem Rust has been found in India, Pakistan and now is suspected in Iran then. 100 years ago, 100 different varieties of wheat prospered across the planet. Scientists bred a new Rust resistant strain and spread it world wide. Like polio, it seemed eradicated. Now it's back, better than ever, and 99% of the world's wheat is all the same strain, which is no longer proof. Stem Rust can spread 100 miles in a day on the wind. Africa is bracing for a nightmare, and everyone is praying (futilely) that it won't hop the Atlantic.
I hope for your sake you're still laughing this time next year when wheat bread is too expensive for your grocer to stock, and we're all hoping that the rice bread doesn't pass $3 a loaf.
Price hikes still won't close the stores, nor will it make having your own home garden become the only thing keeping you alive.
To quote Wiki, which itself quotes an OSU Prof.
The fungal ancestors of stem rust have infected grasses for millions of years and wheat crops for as long as they have been grown.[1] According to Jim Peterson, professor of wheat breeding and genetics at Oregon State University, "Stem rust destroyed more than 20% of U.S. wheat crops several times between 1917 and 1935, and losses reached 9% twice in the 1950s," with the last U.S. outbreak in 1962 destroying 5.2% of the crop.[1]
Frankly, the idiotic biofuel debackle has done and will do worst for the price of wheat than this is likely to do.
Professur
3/17/10, 06:25pm
Frankly, the idiotic biofuel debackle has done and will do worst for the price of wheat than this is likely to do.
I'll second this. The only sane way to burn corn in a vehicle is in a diesel after you've fried a week's french fries in the oil from it.
Came very close to buying a diesel last week on this very point too.
The date may change but the possibility is there.
There is always a possibility (like zombies taking over the world), but highly improbable.
As for this website...
I am not as hard-core upset that this company is fleecing the fools who believe their fabrication. There is always going to be companies who will play to fear to make a sale and their always will be. Just like there will always be citizens with less than average IQ's. There isn't going to be anything we can do to save them from their own idiocy. :shrug: If they're not smart enough to do their research and shop around for heirloom seeds at reputable sites then they're going to be ripped off. It really is as simple as that. It's the same concept as trying to keep retarded people from being taken advantage of by con artists. You can try to educate them but somehow the grifters are going to find some of them and they will be easy pickings.
I'll second this. The only sane way to burn corn in a vehicle is in a diesel after you've fried a week's french fries in the oil from it.
Came very close to buying a diesel last week on this very point too.
What stopped ya? Price, availability of parts, noise, other?
Frankly, Hive Death (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004071) scares me more than Stem Rust or Economic impacts on farmers.
Frankly, Hive Death (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004071) scares me more than Stem Rust or Economic impacts on farmers.
It concerns me also. I think they're going to find poisons as the root cause.
I'm considering getting a honey bee hive. I've been thinking about it for over a year now.
It concerns me also. I think they're going to find poisons as the root cause.
I'm considering getting a honey bee hive. I've been thinking about it for over a year now.
A SciPodcast I listen to on occasion mentioned parasites, but didn't go into much depth. Frustrating, to say the least. I mean..Hell! How do you pollinate anything without bees!???!
Hand-pollination is cute on a small scale, but try doing this for an orchard or a field of strawberries.:dizzy:
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/kitchen/2008_07_25-HandPollinating.jpg
Professur
3/18/10, 02:44pm
What stopped ya? Price, availability of parts, noise, other?
http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle_registration/cylindersize.php
That's what.
A SciPodcast I listen to on occasion mentioned parasites, but didn't go into much depth. Frustrating, to say the least. I mean..Hell! How do you pollinate anything without bees!???!
Hand-pollination is cute on a small scale, but try doing this for an orchard or a field of strawberries.:dizzy:
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/kitchen/2008_07_25-HandPollinating.jpg
Parasites have always been around for bees as well as other animals and plants. A weakened immune system caused by toxins in the environment might have tipped the scales to the point where bees are no longer able to live with the parasites. The decline in bee population is going to result in the lower population of the parasites as a result but will only follow after the bee population falls far below the ability to support the parasite population. Parasites can not live without their hosts and it is not advantageous for a parasite to kill the host only to weaken it slightly (i.e., tapeworms) which allows the parasite to reproduce and for offspring to infect other host animals that come in contact with the original carrier.
It is probably the chemtrails that are killing the bees.
we have several hive owners around here.
I've hear of some incidents, but not like in Ca.
I've got enough carpenter bees to do me a while, if the honey bees get lost, maybe.
I've heard around here, that they've been working on a fix, with some success,
but I don't know numbers.
http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle_registration/cylindersize.php
That's what.
What the hell were you looking at, a cargo van? Hell, it's what..and additional $30 or so. Hell, if you want the car/van and it'll save you money at the station..it's worth the extra payoff for registration, no
Professur
3/19/10, 03:26pm
What the hell were you looking at, a cargo van? Hell, it's what..and additional $30 or so. Hell, if you want the car/van and it'll save you money at the station..it's worth the extra payoff for registration, no
'96 6.2l Suburban 4x4
http://www.lespac.com/d-vehicules-camions-legers-brossard-chevrolet-suburban-1989-62-diesel-4x4-KKKaZZ21002545
The link is to an '89 Suburban. Is the link the actual Suburban?
Professur
3/22/10, 10:11am
It is, and it isn't. Y'see that classified link isn't where I found it. I found it on E-bay, with a somewhat different listing. It's a rebuild of parts from 3 different vehicles. When I checked the details with the DMV, they told me it would licensed as a '96.
A 14yr old rebuilt Suburban? Hell, if you're willing to blow half your paycheck out your tailpipe, might as well go whole hog and pay the extra $150/year while you're at it.
Diesel Suburban though... diesels have a higher upfront cost but get better fuel economy cubic inch for cubic inch compared to gas engines. They don't rev high but make a lot of low-end torque... that works well for trucks. The better fuel economy is why diesels are so popular in Europe, but it's harder to make a diesel burn clean.
Professur
3/22/10, 03:34pm
A 14yr old rebuilt Suburban? Hell, if you're willing to blow half your paycheck out your tailpipe, might as well go whole hog and pay the extra $150/year while you're at it.
Once again, Bish, you speak as an expert about something while lacking the merest shred of knowledge on the subject.
My daily commute is under 5km each way. I seriously doubt even this monster would consume 'half my pay'. Add to that friendships with several restaurants which use copious amounts of fry oil and I expect I could cut my fuel costs to a tiny fraction of what I'm paying today.
Add to that, if it's been rebuilt as well as it would need to be for me to buy it, repair costs would be minor for at least the first few years. Parts for it are abundant and inexpensive too. Diesels also are much simpler in operation than a gas engine.
Then subtract from the over all cost the fun factor of a huge 4x4 out in the bush, the tremendous towing power for pulling any sized camper anywhere we choose to go ....
Then top it with the fact that we own an inexpensive 5 seat sedan for any day-to-day driving and you can see that the fuel cost isn't my most worrying issue. Completing a transaction that allows the gov't to violate my wallet in yet another fraudulent attempt to 'clean up the environment', however, isn't something I'll allow without a fight.
Taxes don't clean up the environment. People (and their newly adopted, cleaner habits) clean up the environment.
Professur
3/22/10, 05:10pm
Exactly. And a diesel burning used veggie oil has to be better than an econobox burning refined petroleum any day. When they say new cars are better for the environment, they're talking with blinders on. They're ignoring the environmental damages caused in the process of building that new car. They're ignoring the environmental damages involved in destroying my old clunker too. They're ignoring the greater economic value of my old car too. Unpaid, untaxed robots build new cars. PEOPLE make the parts and maintain old ones.
I'd love to see the actual number of how many jobs Obama's cash for clunkers lost for americans.
ResearchMonkey
3/22/10, 05:15pm
Not to mention just how cool it is driving a beast of a 4x4 truck.
20l/100kms - toss what you like into the argument, it's still burning more fuel for the distance
ResearchMonkey
3/22/10, 05:33pm
So what? Big assed truck are both fun and safe.
Its great to drop it into low 4x4 and spend the day running the hills for thrills.
20L/100km comes out to 11.761 miles to the gallon. I think a diesel-powered Suburban will get better than that.
What's the axle ratio in the rear end on that thing?
Professur
3/23/10, 09:09am
20L/100km comes out to 11.761 miles to the gallon. I think a diesel-powered Suburban will get better than that.
What's the axle ratio in the rear end on that thing?
Actually it makes 19MPG stock. With a few after market mods suggested by friends that own and specialize in said vehicle, 22-25 is possible. He didn't know the diff ratio, but I suspect it's the stock 3.42. An easy enough swap out.
Once again, Bish, you speak as an expert about something while lacking the merest shred of knowledge on the subject.
My daily commute is under 5km each way. I seriously doubt even this monster would consume 'half my pay'. Add to that friendships with several restaurants which use copious amounts of fry oil and I expect I could cut my fuel costs to a tiny fraction of what I'm paying today.
Add to that, if it's been rebuilt as well as it would need to be for me to buy it, repair costs would be minor for at least the first few years. Parts for it are abundant and inexpensive too. Diesels also are much simpler in operation than a gas engine.
Then subtract from the over all cost the fun factor of a huge 4x4 out in the bush, the tremendous towing power for pulling any sized camper anywhere we choose to go ....
Then top it with the fact that we own an inexpensive 5 seat sedan for any day-to-day driving and you can see that the fuel cost isn't my most worrying issue. Completing a transaction that allows the gov't to violate my wallet in yet another fraudulent attempt to 'clean up the environment', however, isn't something I'll allow without a fight.
If all you're planning on using this truck on is your daily commute, you're wasting your money..but that's not what you're planning on using it on, is it? No off-road trails leading to work and back... it's a 'fun truck', a take it to the cabin, road-trips, go muddin' kinda truck...and if it gets you to work and back, so be it.
So again... want the fun? Pay for it... don't want to pay for it? Buy a 90's era Jetta...it'll get you to work on that 5k trip, you can still use that fry oil AND you don't need to pay the tax-man for the privileged, eh. ;)
Professur
3/23/10, 12:39pm
And again, you continue to try to dictate without all the facts. As a matter of fact, yes, there is a dirt trail from my house all the way to the office, not that that was ever my intention.
As for buying an old Jetta ... You'd have to be a certified moron to do that. 4x the price in parts? And unlike the Sub, the parts are built lightweight and unrebuildable. But then, you know this. You had one, didn't you?
But end all of it (which you still don't seem to get) is that the gov't is demanding money 'in the name of ...' none of which will ever go towards that end.
Par for the course. Taxes go into a pile and from said pile, services come. They can't have a specific tax for a specific end... wouldn't work. You'd need 10,000 different taxes each going towards a specific service...and that's just a start. Each tax with its own pile, and if it runs out..can't borrow from another pile. "Oops...we can't finish building that hospital, ran outta cash. Next year, we'll afford a roof."
The 'in the name of' is a promise as to where they plan on spending the money...or rather, a percentage of the whole.
Professur
3/23/10, 01:31pm
Par for the course. Taxes go into a pile and from said pile, services come. They can't have a specific tax for a specific end... wouldn't work. You'd need 10,000 different taxes each going towards a specific service...and that's just a start. Each tax with its own pile, and if it runs out..can't borrow from another pile. "Oops...we can't finish building that hospital, ran outta cash. Next year, we'll afford a roof."
That's what quotes and budgets are for. I know it's a foreign concept for you, but try to follow this. I want a job done. I call contractors. They give me quotes. I accept a quote, balanced by a solid resume. That's all the money he's going to get for the job. I then look at my finances and budget the money to pay for it. Maybe I can't afford it, and I'm forced to finance it. If in the middle of the job, my contractor comes looking for more money, he's shit outta luck. If he under quote the job to win it, that's his lookout. I'll sue the fucker for breach of contract, take his assets and use them to pay the next contractor to finish the job. That's business.
Gov't can't seem to get that right. But to me, that's hardly an intelligent excuse for me to willingly allow them to pick my pocket. If there was a judge that wasn't in the gov't pocket, you'd be able to sue gov't for breach of contract too. That's a little hard to do, as no judge will pass judgement against his employer, will he?
Oh, and 10,000 taxes and fees? Dude, buy a fucking clue, willya? Have you even looked at your license bill? You're paying taxes on taxes on taxes ... and then a $4 fee for having the audacity to bother them with accepting your money.
Par for the course? No it isn't. Maybe for someone who can't remember yesterday's lunch, but for the rest of us, they've been steadily increasing the costs year after year after year. Not just increasing the initial fee, but adding sub-charges, and then changing from every second year (driving permit) to yearly bills. Par for the course? Do you remember that the SAAQ a short while back was running a surplus? Remember what happened to it? The gov't hoovered it up into their coffers. Then used the lack of extra funds as another excuse to raise fees.
The 'in the name of' is a promise as to where they plan on spending the money...or rather, a percentage of the whole.
Bullshit. The 'in the name of' is to allow gullible fucks a platform to snivel and moan while the pockets of others are emptied. They've got a similar 'tax' on luxury cars. If you pay over $40,000 for a car, you get similarly punished for it. With not a fucking penny going to anyone except gov't coffers. Mark my words, when they're done emptying my pocket, they'll be looking to see how they can empty yours. Are you prepared to pay $100 extra for having 4 doors instead of 2?
Exactly. And a diesel burning used veggie oil has to be better than an econobox burning refined petroleum any day. When they say new cars are better for the environment, they're talking with blinders on. They're ignoring the environmental damages caused in the process of building that new car. They're ignoring the environmental damages involved in destroying my old clunker too. They're ignoring the greater economic value of my old car too. Unpaid, untaxed robots build new cars. PEOPLE make the parts and maintain old ones.
In the US you have to pay taxes on the amount of vegetable oil you convert for your diesel unless you do it illegally with a still you make yourself and don't report. There are many people who go this route and keep it quiet.
We live in a throw away, consumer society. When something is old you throw it out even if it has a purpose. This is a mentality that gets under my skin. I applaud your willingness to repurpose or reuse anything old. I don't believe the suburban is a mistake if it's something you can use.
I'd love to see the actual number of how many jobs Obama's cash for clunkers lost for americans.
It lost zero jobs for Americans. It saved many sales jobs for people who sell cars, it saved many jobs of the people who finance the cars (pencil pushers). If you own an old car you're not going to buy parts every week. Besides most of those parts are made over seas and I will not shed a tear if they lose their jobs.
Professur
3/24/10, 09:38am
In the US you have to pay taxes on the amount of vegetable oil you convert for your diesel unless you do it illegally with a still you make yourself and don't report. There are many people who go this route and keep it quiet.
We live in a throw away, consumer society. When something is old you throw it out even if it has a purpose. This is a mentality that gets under my skin. I applaud your willingness to repurpose or reuse anything old. I don't believe the suburban is a mistake if it's something you can use.
A friend here at work sold me his old '93 grand caravan for $400 nearly 2 years ago. He was buying his father-in-law's '97 Montana. In the intervening time, he had to replace the engine, rebuild the tranny, and has since had an intake manifold gasket failure (coolant into the engine) and scrapped it. I've put a junkyard alternator on mine for $60. I'd stay with this one if it had sufficient towing power ... but FWD's never do.
It lost zero jobs for Americans. It saved many sales jobs for people who sell cars, it saved many jobs of the people who finance the cars (pencil pushers). If you own an old car you're not going to buy parts every week. Besides most of those parts are made over seas and I will not shed a tear if they lose their jobs.
This industry insider (http://staceydavid.com/showdetails.php?episode=45) believes differently. And since he often serves as a prototype tester for the aftermarket, I'll take his word for it. I've also got it on good (although unconfirmed) authority that very little cash has been given to dealerships from the C4C program. A blogger on another site knew several people who were temp contracted for the C4C call centres. Stories from there were nightmarish examples of bureaucracy. An entire call centre without a single working computer ... everyone getting paid to sit with their thumb up their ass, and no supervisor on site to report the problem to. Dealers having to submit the same paperwork multiple times because there were issues with it that the receiver could easily have resolved, but choose to reject instead. I could search up the thread if needed, but as it's anecdotal, it's value would be limited.
And the one thing I kept hearing over and over during C4C was the question of why the purchase of cars not built in America was included. I know, to pay the salesmen ... but wouldn't the stimulus have been much more effective if they had restricted it to cars assembled in the US? That would have increased dramatically the number of people benefiting, no?
Professur
3/24/10, 11:25am
I take it you haven't heard that Stem Rust has been found in India, Pakistan and now is suspected in Iran then. 100 years ago, 100 different varieties of wheat prospered across the planet. Scientists bred a new Rust resistant strain and spread it world wide. Like polio, it seemed eradicated. Now it's back, better than ever, and 99% of the world's wheat is all the same strain, which is no longer proof. Stem Rust can spread 100 miles in a day on the wind. Africa is bracing for a nightmare, and everyone is praying (futilely) that it won't hop the Atlantic.
I hope for your sake you're still laughing this time next year when wheat bread is too expensive for your grocer to stock, and we're all hoping that the rice bread doesn't pass $3 a loaf.
And the horror story continues.
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2010/03/truth-about-indias-wheat-reserves.html
A friend here at work sold me his old '93 grand caravan for $400 nearly 2 years ago. He was buying his father-in-law's '97 Montana. In the intervening time, he had to replace the engine, rebuild the tranny, and has since had an intake manifold gasket failure (coolant into the engine) and scrapped it. I've put a junkyard alternator on mine for $60. I'd stay with this one if it had sufficient towing power ... but FWD's never do.
This industry insider (http://staceydavid.com/showdetails.php?episode=45) believes differently. And since he often serves as a prototype tester for the aftermarket, I'll take his word for it. I've also got it on good (although unconfirmed) authority that very little cash has been given to dealerships from the C4C program. A blogger on another site knew several people who were temp contracted for the C4C call centres. Stories from there were nightmarish examples of bureaucracy. An entire call centre without a single working computer ... everyone getting paid to sit with their thumb up their ass, and no supervisor on site to report the problem to. Dealers having to submit the same paperwork multiple times because there were issues with it that the receiver could easily have resolved, but choose to reject instead. I could search up the thread if needed, but as it's anecdotal, it's value would be limited.
And the one thing I kept hearing over and over during C4C was the question of why the purchase of cars not built in America was included. I know, to pay the salesmen ... but wouldn't the stimulus have been much more effective if they had restricted it to cars assembled in the US? That would have increased dramatically the number of people benefiting, no?
Foreign built cars were included in the Cash For Clunkers because of external political pressure. Those countries threatened to put tariffs on our products being exported to them. It would have hit us harder elsewhere. This was the lesser of two evils. :-/ Sucks, I know. I sometimes wish we (as a country) would go back to our isolationist strategies, though I do recognize that our standard of living would decrease dramatically.
And the horror story continues.
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2010/03/truth-about-indias-wheat-reserves.html
Sweet... this means more $$$ in the pockets of our farmers!
BTW, India has these problems cyclically. So does China. I've been waiting for the next drought to hit China.
Professur
3/24/10, 01:29pm
though I do recognize that our standard of living would decrease dramatically.
I'd be interested in hearing what you deem 'standard of living' in this tense. If you mean cheap electronics and consumer goods, I say good riddance to it. 4 cell phones per household and dinner out of the freezer isn't living, it's existing. Bring back the day so meat from a butcher, veggies from a farmer's market as opposed to buying food, jeans and TVs all under one roof.
Professur
3/24/10, 01:32pm
Sweet... this means more $$$ in the pockets of our farmers!
BTW, India has these problems cyclically. So does China. I've been waiting for the next drought to hit China.
I wouldn't gloat too quickly. Given the amount of US debt China holds, it wouldn't take much for the US's wheat reserves to vanish in a flash of electronic dollars. Not to mention that US farmers are behaving very similarly to those overseas. How many farmers are getting paid very well indeed to burn crops instead of bringing them to market?
I'd be interested in hearing what you deem 'standard of living' in this tense. If you mean cheap electronics and consumer goods, I say good riddance to it. 4 cell phones per household and dinner out of the freezer isn't living, it's existing. Bring back the day so meat from a butcher, veggies from a farmer's market as opposed to buying food, jeans and TVs all under one roof.
You can still get your food (veggies as well as meat) from the farmer's market. We have a rancher that is selling grass fed beef from his ranch in town (I say that b/c I'm just outside of the actual town in the rural parts, no subdivision).
I agree that cheap electronics and consumer goods does not make a good standard of living. But many people are swayed by the lure of new game consoles and fancy flat screen TVs (so they can sit on their asses in front of those TVs and waste their lives), not to mention new cars.
well, I just stocked back up on some seed that I was low on....
Ford hook - butter beans.
Yellow Queen - corn
Purple hull - crowder peas
and
some onion bulbs
He was out of fertilizer.
He said he went through a whole pallet today in about 2 hours.:eek:
He's supposed to get some tomato plants, and other stuff in next week.
well, I just stocked back up on some seed that I was low on....
Ford hook - butter beans.
Yellow Queen - corn
Purple hull - crowder peas
and
some onion bulbs
He was out of fertilizer.
He said he went through a whole pallet today in about 2 hours.:eek:
He's supposed to get some tomato plants, and other stuff in next week.
The people who ship the tomato plants won't send them to your area until the danger of frost has passed. Your area must still be at risk of a freeze.
I planted some purple hull cow peas to feed my chickens with. I do a couple of experiments each year. This is one of them. They should grow quite well here.
The people who ship the tomato plants won't send them to your area until the danger of frost has passed. Your area must still be at risk of a freeze.
dead on right.
That's just what the man said.
The weather has been ok, but they were just being safe.
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