View Full Version : So, you think there is life on other planets??
Justintime
4/18/02, 07:06pm
I do! how can their be soooo many galaxies and whatnot with billions of stars / planet systems for life not to happen somewhere else? I am not too sure we've been visited however, though i would not rule it out! :cool:
I've seen a black helicopter but never a spaceship. :)
I seen a UFO at night once...
it turned out to be a faulty street lamp. :o :D
unclehobart
4/18/02, 07:36pm
There is life out there... it just happens to be on the genetic level of frozen spinach.
It would be arrogant to think there isn't some form of life out there.
Professur
4/18/02, 10:27pm
The question isn't Is there life out there. Of course there is. The question is Is there intelligent life out there. I'll reserve judgement on that until someone finds intelligent life on earth frst.
Originally posted by sbcanada
I seen a UFO at night once...
it turned out to be a faulty street lamp. :o :D
Did you get abducted by it?
MuFu.
Professur
4/19/02, 12:09am
Rectally probed by a faulty street lamp *winces*
It didn't abduct me, but did I mention that I seen the street light when I was walking home from yo moma's house? ;)
MitchSchaft
4/19/02, 01:46am
I don't believe there's other lifeforms like us out there. Not saying that I would never believe that, though.
outside looking in
4/19/02, 02:41am
Yes, of course there's other life out there.
As Professur said though, intelligent life is another matter. I'm betting that there is, but I wouldn't put too much money on it. ;)
Shadowfax
4/19/02, 01:00pm
I believe there are other lifeforms out there somewhere. I really hope we find proof for that in the near future. :)
infinite
adj 1: having no limits or boundaries in time or space or extent or magnitude
I believe that anything and everything you can possibly imagine is out there. How can it not be? The posibilities are infinite.
I myself would like for someone to pick me up and take me for a ride :headbang:
I don't see how we can think we're the only life in the entire solar system ... for all we know, one of the OTC Members could be an alien from outter space .. or inner space .. or ... whereever .... :eek:
Many people believe there is only life on earth. We call them Christians. ;) God made the heavens, and the earth. That's what it says in the Bible. Notice the enphasis on earth? Why does he give it special enphasis? Because it is unique. It is special in that it has life on it. The rest of the universe is just a bunch of gas, planets, and rocks for us to look at and see the great wonder and power of our God.
Please don't flame my Christian ass. ;) :D
Justintime
4/19/02, 06:46pm
dude, take your head outta the book and look at the facts, the bible was written by man, man thinks and believes hes special, he ain't! just another piece of biological goop in the eyes of the universe ;)
Justintime
4/19/02, 06:47pm
Originally posted by nalani
I don't see how we can think we're the only life in the entire solar system ... for all we know, one of the OTC Members could be an alien from outter space .. or inner space .. or ... whereever .... :eek:
I ADMIT IT!! Don't call the feds, calling alpha 8, callin Alpha 8! we's been caught! :eek: :D:D
Originally posted by Justintime
dude, take your head outta the book and look at the facts, the bible was written by man, man thinks and believes hes special, he ain't! just another piece of biological goop in the eyes of the universe ;)
The Bible was written by the apostles, and God put it in their head what to write. It's a matter of faith. If you don't believe, that's fine, but don't go saying it's a bunch of crap.
I guess you believe in Evolution and Science huh? Well if all cells arise from pre-existing cells, where the fuck did the first cell come from? It just magically appeared? I don't fucking think so. Take your head outa your "modern-ape ass." :grumpy:
Justintime
4/19/02, 07:21pm
Originally posted by sbcanada
The Bible was written by the apostles, and God put it in their head what to write. It's a matter of faith. If you don't believe, that's fine, but don't go saying it's a bunch of crap.
I guess you believe in Evolution and Science huh? Well if all cells arise from pre-existing cells, where the fuck did the first cell come from? It just magically appeared? I don't fucking think so. Take your head outa your "modern-ape ass." :grumpy:
when you can be more mature and discuss this properly without blowin your lid i'll answer your post. :)
MitchSchaft
4/19/02, 07:22pm
:eek: vroom vroom :eek:
*flames sb's christian ass* hehehe
I totally respect your position. There are those who believe differently though .. not saying either is right or wrong, just that there is a difference in opinions on the subject world-wide.
The thing you said about faith .. believing in the bible and the words within it, being guided by the Lord .. that's the same way I sorta feel about life outside the earth. If we look at it from a christian point of view, should we not also assume that perhaps He gave life to other planets as well, not exactly the same as ours, but life nonetheless? And perhaps they, in turn, have their own "version" of the bible .. and they believe as well that they are the only life forms in the galaxy because we are not mentioned in their bible as they are not mentioned in ours.
Again, I need to restate that I'm not saying you're wrong or right - or anyone is wrong or right. Yes, I believe that the possibility for life outside of earth exists ... I guess what I'm trying to say is that sometimes the tunnel we look through is wider than we thought ...
:)
damn .. I think I need a beer cause I just reread what I posted and I ain't making any sense even to my own damned self ... *gr*
sorry for he confusion y'all .. disregard anything my sorry butt has to say *L*
There's a scientific way of justifying a hypothesis. It's not by proving it right, but by proving it wrong.
My hypothesis: There is no life except on earth.
My hypothesis is correct until proven wrong. ;)
Justintime
4/19/02, 07:38pm
Originally posted by nalani
I guess what I'm trying to say is that sometimes the tunnel we look through is wider than we thought ...
:)
I could not have put it better myself :)
Professur
4/19/02, 08:42pm
Originally posted by sbcanada
Originally posted by Justintime
dude, take your head outta the book and look at the facts, the bible was written by man, man thinks and believes hes special, he ain't! just another piece of biological goop in the eyes of the universe ;)
The Bible was written by the apostles, and God put it in their head what to write. It's a matter of faith. If you don't believe, that's fine, but don't go saying it's a bunch of crap.
I guess you believe in Evolution and Science huh? Well if all cells arise from pre-existing cells, where the fuck did the first cell come from? It just magically appeared? I don't fucking think so. Take your head outa your "modern-ape ass." :grumpy:
SB, before you go making all us christians look bad, get your facts straight. The Apostles did NOT write the Bible. Most of it was written before they were a gleam in their daddies' eyes. Secondly, It's been translated so many times that taking any meaning from it without looking for misinterpretations is an invitation to be laughed at. Third, if you read the bible with an ear for science, it makes perfect sense. Genesis espescially makes sense. You just nned to remember that MEN wrote the Bible. They might have been told what to write, but they wrote it. and they wrote it using the only words they had.
Originally posted by Justintime
Originally posted by nalani
I guess what I'm trying to say is that sometimes the tunnel we look through is wider than we thought ...
:)
I could not have put it better myself :)
I'm sooo glad I made sense to someone ... but wait .. I made sense to Justintime - does that count? :D
just kidding, brother *smooch*
Justintime
4/19/02, 09:40pm
:mad: :D
Originally posted by Professur
SB, before you go making all us christians look bad, get your facts straight. The Apostles did NOT write the Bible. Most of it was written before they were a gleam in their daddies' eyes. Secondly, It's been translated so many times that taking any meaning from it without looking for misinterpretations is an invitation to be laughed at. Third, if you read the bible with an ear for science, it makes perfect sense. Genesis espescially makes sense. You just nned to remember that MEN wrote the Bible. They might have been told what to write, but they wrote it. and they wrote it using the only words they had.
Are you trying to tell me that the Apostle Paul did not write some of the Bible?
Professur
4/19/02, 09:57pm
Your post implied that they were the only writers. They wrote a short part of the new testament. Not the whole thing.
You can't say there is other life in the universe until you have seen it. I stand by my earlier scientific thesis: There is no life except on earth.
Go ahead and prove my thesis wrong, until then, it stands. ;)
Justintime
4/19/02, 10:24pm
you're right.
Professur
4/19/02, 10:30pm
Originally posted by sbcanada
You can't say there is other life in the universe until you have seen it. I stand by my earlier scientific thesis: There is no life except on earth.
So where would you put heaven, hell and purgatory?
Those places are in the spiritual realm, not the physical. And purgatory? Are you Catholic? :)
Professur
4/19/02, 10:40pm
Anglican. It's the next best thing.
Justintime
4/19/02, 10:42pm
Hi, anglican is the best thing! :D
nah, i see all other religion as equal ;)
In my personal opinion, the Bible is proof of how impressionable human's minds are especially if they see something they don't understand. People used to think that the planets were gods flying around in the sky and that the earth was flat. Science has disproved those theories and will eventually disprove the theory that there is no intelligent life out there. In the countless number od solar systems there has to be more than just us.
outside looking in
4/19/02, 11:22pm
SB,
Wile the questions is still certainly open, as even scientists differ in opinions on just how likely or prevalent life and/or intelligent life is, I usually take sentiments like yours to be close minded.
Even if you look at the Universe through religious eyes, there is plenty of room for life on other worlds. The Bible does not exclude the possibility.
In fact, it's much the same as your "hypothesis." I say that the Bible allows there to be life elsewhere, because it doesn't explicitly say that there isn't. Now, you "prove" that there isn't, using just the Bible (since that is the basis of the hypothesis).
;)
Oh, and yes... I believe in evolution. Evolution is as well established a theory as relativity and quantum theory (and the anlogy is fitting... while we may find things that modify QM or relativity, they will exist as a subset or simplification of the greater theory... so can evolution be modified by observations and experiments, but proving it wrong is just beyond reason). There is a perfectly rational answer to your question "where did the first cell come from," but it is not exactly easy for a lot of people to grasp, let alone believe (Christians especially).
That is a topic for another thread though. Maybe sometime, we can discuss it.
Justintime
4/19/02, 11:27pm
one would have to be blind to see that evolution was not proven true already. What about Dinosaurs? early mammals? fossil evidence of not only them, but of mans developments through the eons, are the scientists/archeologists etc. having us on a huge joke?
Justintime
4/19/02, 11:30pm
Originally posted by nodnod
In my personal opinion, the Bible is proof of how impressionable human's minds are especially if they see something they don't understand.
Dude, i like the way you think! :)
outside looking in
4/19/02, 11:31pm
Well, though I believe in evolution, you have to be careful of how you say things. As Godel showed, you can never "prove" a theory true (unless it's a simple prediction that can be verified by observation) within any given system of axioms.
What this means, in short, is that no amount of observation and experimentation can ever prove evolution to be absolutely, irrefutably, true. Such supporting evidence can however remove all logical doubt, and it then falls into the category of "fact" as acknowledged by science.
And evolution clearly falls into that category.
Justintime
4/19/02, 11:33pm
Originally posted by outside looking in
Well, though I believe in evolution, you have to be careful of how you say things. As Godel showed, you can never "prove" a theory true (unless it's a simple prediction that can be verified by observation) within any given system of axioms.
What this means, in short, is that no amount of observation and experimentation can ever prove evolution to be absolutely, irrefutably, true. Such supporting evidence can however remove all logical doubt, and it then falls into the category of "fact" as acknowledged by science.
And evolution clearly falls into that category.
i agree with that ;)
outside looking in
4/20/02, 01:51am
sb,
The last discussion I had online about evolution went for 17 pages (actually, it's still going, and there's no end in sight). I have lots of thoughts on the issue, but I don't think you want to hear them all. ;)
Perhaps when there's more members, we can have a serious discussion. I love talks/debates like that, as long as flaming is kept at a reasonable low level.
I do not want to get into a discussion over evolution. ;)
Originally posted by sbcanada
Many people believe there is only life on earth. We call them Christians. ;) God made the heavens, and the earth. That's what it says in the Bible. Notice the enphasis on earth? Why does he give it special enphasis? Because it is unique. It is special in that it has life on it. The rest of the universe is just a bunch of gas, planets, and rocks for us to look at and see the great wonder and power of our God.
Please don't flame my Christian ass. ;) :D
Don't be stereotyping people ASSHOLE!
It is belief of life on other planets that fortifies belief in a supreme being and/or creator. We were created in his/their image.
Genesis 1:26
"And God said, let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:"
Genesis 3:22
"And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:"
You think you are funny with your Christian bashing BS.
No where does the bible mention that we are the only people/being's in the Universe. To think that there isn't life on other planets or in other Galaxies is unfathomable.
We went over this in OT at HWC like a year and a half ago.
outside looking in
4/20/02, 06:55pm
I remember ol' man taking part on a discussion of evolution. ;)
About the discussion I mentioned on another board... it's at 18 pages now, and the Creationists have begun to recycle the same arguments for about the fourth time. :(
Originally posted by ol' man
Don't be stereotyping people ASSHOLE!
Sorry! Take a chill pill dude!
There is no possibility of there being any other planets without life... the question is, how many of them are capable of supporting the kind of life that is intelligent and driven by thought, e.g. with a brain able to comprehend, process, and make conclusions on its own, instead of driven merely by instinctive urges to migrate and reproduce.
The life that we have here on Earth is unique. There's a very little chance that a species like us is out there anywhere, because for such a thing to happen would require a solar system to have the exact same size star, with the exact same number of planets consisting of the exact same properties as the one in this system. However, life can still evolve into an intelligent form even if the gravity is a bit lighter or the temperature is a bit hotter, etc. Obviously the species would have different traits than our own, depending on how their ancestors interpreted their purpose on that planet.
Human ancestors started making tools and using those tools to interact with the world and to survive in it, and found out those tools made it easier to live. Tools that killed game, tools that prepared them to be cooked, tools that made fire, tools that protected from invaders, etc... So, we evolved into a species that heavily relies on interaction with tools to live.
In the same way we evolved then, another planet which may have stronger gravity at the surface could contain a species that is evolving into what we would consider super strong beings, since they would have to develop ways to get around in, say, 10x earth's gravity, they would be much stronger when under earth's gravity than under their own. They might grow up with slightly more limited intelligence than our own due to having to spend so many generations working on just getting around in such gravity, but the idea I'm trying to get across is hopefully clear.
In short, I think there is intelligent life out there, or intelligent life is forming out there, just in different forms than we may be used to.
Shadowfax
4/21/02, 04:18pm
So fury, why did you stop crunching SETI then? :P
outside looking in
4/21/02, 06:22pm
I'm still crunching SETI. ;)
Originally posted by Shadowfax
So fury, why did you stop crunching SETI then? :P
Because if some disease wipes the entire race out, there'll be noone left to greet the aliens. :D
Life exists outside of our solar system.
Prove me wrong.
The problem with humans is arrogance. Even those of us that think we aren't. One would hope that evolution on other planets would go a different way than ours. I mean look at us...the human design is pretty crappy.
Weak bodies, unpredictible thought patterns, constant car key loss, the list goes on.
What we deem to be intelligence will probably be considered a random electrical energy when studied by other species. Maybe splitting the atom was a misfiring neuron.
And who are we to even consider that we are the only life in this universe. When we don't even know if it's going to rain next week?
Another great point added to the pot. What/who we define as intelligent nowadays (Stephen Hawking, e.g.) may be nothing more than a peon compared to some of the other life forms out there in the universe.
Originally posted by T W
Life exists outside of our solar system.
Prove me wrong.
There is no life outside of our solar system.
Prove me wrong.
My thesis stands on top of yours, because we've never seen any other life, nor heard from them, so we can say that there is no other life, until we actually find it.
Who knows? Maybe there is other life. Humans will never know it during our lifetimes, so why bother argue over it? If there was other life in the universe, and it takes very certain conditions to support life, then if there was other life it would probably be so damn far away from here that we'd have to travel 1,000 times the speed of light to get there in about 20 years. ;)
Humans might be able to find other life if we had Star Trek technology. Someone go build me a space ship with a warp drive and I'll go with you to find other life. ;)
Who knows what tomorrow will bring? Maybe we will see first contact happen a lot sooner than you think.
outside looking in
4/22/02, 02:44am
I think that if there is actually intelligent life out there, the odds of us finding it within our lifetime (mine at least, I plan to live until 100) are pretty good.
SETI is young, and the equipment used is relatively immature. If there are advanced civilizations, we should pick up a signal or two within a few decades.
Besides, I'm not counting out finding fossilized life on Mars, or living organisms on Europa quite yet.
sb, you just proved the non existence of God.
God creates man
Man proves God doesnt exist
Man disappears in a vacumn of paradox
Woman inherit the earth
DAMMIT!
unclehobart
4/22/02, 10:08am
Starting to sound a little Douglas Adamsy 'round here.
outside looking in
4/22/02, 11:42am
Douglas Adams is da man. ;)
20 pages on evolution... and I'm being asked to explain something for the fifth time now.... :(
Originally posted by T W
sb, you just proved the non existence of God.
I did? Damn! People have been trying to do that for centuries. ;)
OK, maybe that sounded like the man. (Mr Adams).
Can I get away with a semi-plagurisim?
Or maybe it's time to write a book. But it needs a title that is nothing like anything he ever wrote.
I was thinking something like..."Life, the universe, and all the crappy bits in between"
Or "The universal guide to hitchhiking"
outside looking in
4/22/02, 11:40pm
I like your last idea... would keep your book from getting confused with his. :D
Shadowfax
4/23/02, 12:51pm
TW ~ How can you write a book when sbcanada just caused you to dissapear in a vacuum of paradox? :D
Well I need to write, cos no one can hear me scream.
Ignorance is bliss :rolleyes:
I wish I had seen this thread earlier as I would probably have had more time to read it all. But anyway...
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Quote SB
The Bible was written by the apostles, and God put it in their head what to write. It's a matter of faith. If you don't believe, that's fine, but don't go saying it's a bunch of crap.
I guess you believe in Evolution and Science huh? Well if all cells arise from pre-existing cells, where the fuck did the first cell come from? It just magically appeared? I don't fucking think so. Take your head outa your "modern-ape ass."
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Yep, I definatly believe in evolution and science as it's alot more believable than going to a pointy building once a week and begging forgivness to some gizza in fancy dress. I went to a catholic school and found it horrific.
The universe is far to large and infinate for us to be the only life imo. As to whether they have visited.. who knows? not me
I find Catholics to be a little strange to, but why don't you take your Godless ass to a farm and go fuck a pig, because afterall, there is no God so who the fuck cares what you do, right? :mad:
riiiiiiight.....
ummm...missed your argument :confuse3:
GOD ALMIGHTY
4/27/02, 08:24pm
Where did I say Earth was the ONLY place that I've made miracles??? :biker:
Where did you say that there is life elsewhere? :neutral:
GOD ALMIGHTY
4/28/02, 08:39pm
Originally posted by sbcanada
Where did you say that there is life elsewhere? :neutral:
I can ban you from far more important places than OT Central. Do you think you're so important that you have all my information? :biker:
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