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Apparently they do in this school
A group of high school students in Omaha, Neb., who nominated a South African student for a "Distinguished African-American Student" award were disciplined for what was described by administrators as an "inappropriate and insensitive" act, reports the Omaha World Herald.
Administrators at Westside High School said the award should only go to a black student. A student who later circulated a petition complaining about the racism inherent in that policy also was punished by the school.
The students nominated their South African friend by putting up some 100 posters around the school supporting his candidacy. The award has been given the last eight years to an outstanding black student as part of the school's Martin Luther King Jr. Day celebration.
IDLEchild
1/26/04, 12:40am
Administrators at Westside High School said the award should only go to a black student
"Distinguished African-American Student"
He is from South Africa who is now in America.....makes sense.
Was the student white?
unclehobart
1/26/04, 12:55am
The title quite plainly states 'african'. Assumption that all Africans are black is silly. The muslim north coast is made up of about 150million non black africans. I guess it needs to be renamed as the subsaharan african-american prize.
let's drop the pretentious crap & just call 'em what they are. Americans
BeardofPants
1/26/04, 01:06am
Could you say that a bit louder - I think I missed it the first time. :retard:
freako104
1/26/04, 03:22am
i dont know anyone who wants to be called that at all. never met a person who likes that label
BeardofPants
1/26/04, 05:35am
:lol:
AlphaTroll
1/26/04, 05:50am
Gonz - was he an exchange student? Just wondering....
And if I were him I'd have my knickers in a knot about it. Who the fuck gives them the right to decide that Africans are necessarily black? I'm lilly white and I'm African - more so than Martin Luther King, Oprah or any of those US rappers who come to SA & claim that they have come 'home' & harp on about their 'brothers and sisters' could ever wish to be - nationality has nothing to do with the colour of your skin fucking retards.
What gets me about people calling themselves African Americans is that a civil war was fought to give them the same status as every other citizen, people died to have the same rights as everyoone else......and now they go and segregate themselves willingly by labelling themselves as something they're not - what's wrong with just being American? When's the last time any of them visited Africa and DID something for their "African brothers and sisters" instead of just claiming our heritage as their own?
And btw - why in the hell is it that Nelson Mandela has suddenly become the 'father' of every black man, woman & child in the world?
A.B.Normal
1/26/04, 06:11am
what's wrong with just being American?
:wave2: {OO,OO,pick me ,pick me} :winkkiss:
AlphaTroll
1/26/04, 06:17am
:wave2: {OO,OO,pick me ,pick me} :winkkiss:
:lol: Do you REALLY wanna go there? ;)
AT, I've know two black Americans who went to Africa to find their roots. After 6 weeks they came home with their tail between their legs & had to admit they are as African as I'm French. :lol:
AlphaTroll
1/26/04, 08:51am
:lol: Yup....having 'African Roots' may be trendy, but it ain't easy...................hehe, maybe there's a career to be had in teaching black Americans all about being African - don't think too many of them will be scampering off to discover their roots ;)
let's drop the pretentious crap & just call 'em what they are. Americans
The country would immediately freeze up and stop, because it's only the wind of special interests keeping it going (at least from their point of view).
Freako, I know plenty of black Americans and the vast majority have no interest in being called black, negro, african-american, etc. They just want to live their lives like everyone else.
drkavnger99
1/26/04, 11:17am
:retard3: Does one have to be little and green to be from mars? :lloyd:
drkavnger99
1/26/04, 01:31pm
Yes...Yes I do...
:lol2: Take me to your leader! :alienhuh:
freako104
1/26/04, 01:52pm
American?
:rofl4:
freako104
1/26/04, 01:54pm
The country would immediately freeze up and stop, because it's only the wind of special interests keeping it going (at least from their point of view).
Freako, I know plenty of black Americans and the vast majority have no interest in being called black, negro, african-american, etc. They just want to live their lives like everyone else.
so do the ones I know but they would rather be called black.
:confuse3: what do you call them? Black George? Black Bob? Black Amanda?
AlphaTroll
1/26/04, 02:09pm
Maybe it's just Black "Hey Black - come here!" or "I'm off to visit Black"..........sure cuts out any confusion.
paul_valaru
1/26/04, 02:10pm
:confuse3: what do you call them? Black George? Black Bob? Black Amanda?
"oh black betty bam a lam......"
Gato_Solo
1/26/04, 02:10pm
I'll answer this a quickly and painlessly as possible, and give my reasons. Yes.
1. This contest was about color, and those who placed the white south african there knew it was about color. They just wanted to 'make a statement'. As much as we can debate this, AT isn't all African, either. Her ancestry is blatantly European. If you doubt what I'm saying, then ask yourselves what apartheid was all about, then. ;)
2. Until all the citizens of the US can pull their heads out, and treat everyone equally, we'll have these problems. When you, yourself, can look at another person and think person instead of race, religion, or sex, then you can make all those judgements. I can't, and I admit it.
3. Just because somebody is born somewhere, that doesn't change their race.
AlphaTroll
1/26/04, 02:24pm
I'll answer this a quickly and painlessly as possible, and give my reasons. Yes.
1. This contest was about color, and those who placed the white south african there knew it was about color. They just wanted to 'make a statement'. As much as we can debate this, AT isn't all African, either. Her ancestry is blatantly European. If you doubt what I'm saying, then ask yourselves what apartheid was all about, then. ;)
2. Until all the citizens of the US can pull their heads out, and treat everyone equally, we'll have these problems. When you, yourself, can look at another person and think person instead of race, religion, or sex, then you can make all those judgements. I can't, and I admit it.
3. Just because somebody is born somewhere, that doesn't change their race.
Well the contest is then discriminatory at more than one level, which begs the question - do they have similar contests for every other group in the school....like outstanding neo-nazi student or outstanding polish student or outstanding albino student? Stupid little things like that serve only to enhance the divide - what the hell are they trying to prove? Do you suppose things like that would in any way assist the citizens of the US to treat everyone equally when discrimination is so blatantly encouraged? And sure, maybe those kids wanted to make a statement - a pretty good one IMO if they were wanting to say that they see no need for discriminatory compitition among students. maybe it was their way of saying that they see all students as equal.
As for my heritage, what little European there was died out hundreds of years ago, my ancestors hail from Germany, but somewhere along the lines there was some interracial 'breeding' - so does that make me more African? Knowing that I have 'black' blood mixed in with the white? As I said, I'm African - more specifically South African and if you want to nitpick I'm an Afrikaans South African African - all of these claims are true about me HERE & NOW - not based on geneaology of the distant past - I sure as hell will not be calling myself a German South African because of where my so-called roots are.
And as for apartheid, what is it that you'd like to discuss? And how does a system that I neither created nor supported tie in with my genetic make-up?
Until all the citizens of the US can pull their heads out, and treat everyone equally, we'll have these problems. When you, yourself, can look at another person and think person instead of race, religion, or sex, then you can make all those judgements. I can't, and I admit it.
See, now you're making me sad because once upon a time I believed it was possible but have learned otherwise.
drkavnger99
1/26/04, 02:44pm
It all begs the question of who you are! What makes you, you I mean does the color of your skin, your ancestoral line, whether you pee standing or sitting really say who you are? If you asked this to any intelligent person they'd say no! Its what you do, what you support, and the children you did/didn't raise.
Who here thinks that you should have a day if your black?
Who here thinks that you should have a day if your white?
Who here thinks that you should have a day if your growing a arm out of your ass?
I mean really come on like making one race only things just so you can exclude another is complete non-sense. I guess it comes down to do onto others as you would have done onto you!
Who here thinks that you should have a day if your growing a arm out of your ass?
That HAS to be worth at least a day...:eek5:
BeardofPants
1/26/04, 03:21pm
Well, the species DOES come from out of Africa. :retard:
AlphaTroll
1/26/04, 03:24pm
You gonna start calling yerself an African New Zeelander then? ;)
Well, the species DOES come from out of Africa. :retard:
Actually...if you want to more specific. ALL species come from out of Africa or thereabouts. Oddly enough..we're all one race..it's called homo sapiens sapien. Everything else is just minor variances on diversity. It's aesthetics really...
3. Just because somebody is born somewhere, that doesn't change their race.
Quick question. If someone has black skin and kinky hair but wasn't born in Africa, they're still black and/or Africans? What about folx living in the middle-east or Pakistan? Some of them seem to fit the bill, but they might grow unruly if you called them black or African-Pakistani.
paul_valaru
1/26/04, 05:14pm
So, if your ancestors are from africa, you are african american
from spain spanish americans?
From South American Latin americans (cause southern americans was taken?)
Isn't it all getting a little silly?
People go, are you white? nope I'm sorka pinkish
caucasian
No I am not from the caucasin mountains
we're all one race..it's called homo sapiens sapien. Everything else is just minor variances on diversity. It's aesthetics really...
*DING DING DING DING*
We have a winner.
Paul, it comes down to (a/some/many) group(s) who are trying to divide this country into small segments. It's easier to conquer when nobody is united.
WE ARE AMERICANS.
when we all learn to get along we can even drop that distinction.
paul_valaru
1/26/04, 05:35pm
Paul, it comes down to (a/some/many) group(s) who are trying to divide this country into small segments. It's easier to conquer when nobody is united.
WE ARE AMERICANS.
when we all learn to get along we can even drop that distinction.
well I think someone once used african canadian, but the person got laughed at to much.
paul_valaru
1/26/04, 05:40pm
Paul, it comes down to (a/some/many) group(s) who are trying to divide this country into small segments. It's easier to conquer when nobody is united.
WE ARE AMERICANS.
when we all learn to get along we can even drop that distinction.
Oh and technically you are US citizens......
because the americas are continents, so any one from Canada Mexico Chile Brazil...etc. are americans.
but we didn't want to take it away from you
Or give you any ideas :bolt:
manifest destiny and all that
Oh and technically you are US citizens......
because the americas are continents, so any one from Canada Mexico Chile Brazil...etc. are americans.
but we didn't want to take it away from you
Or give you any ideas :bolt:
manifest destiny and all that
Shhh...Paul. Don't give them ideas!!! We kinda have WMDs up here, ya know?
Mind you...it's too damn cold to invade right now and considering the average concentration time is about 10 minutes, we should be fine by the time our cities warm up again :) :bolt:
I argued your point one time, nobody got it. I agree but gave in.
paul_valaru
1/26/04, 05:46pm
Shhh...Paul. Don't give them ideas!!! We kinda have WMDs up here, ya know?
Mind you...it's too damn cold to invade right now and considering the average concentration time is about 10 minutes, we should be fine by the time our cities warm up again :) :bolt:
yes we have WMDs here, but they aren't ours, theere theirs
stupid dewey line
A.B.Normal
1/26/04, 05:48pm
Shhh...Paul. Don't give them ideas!!! We kinda have WMDs up here, ya know?
Yeah,but any nukes we have belong to the US ,we just store them .
drkavnger99
1/26/04, 05:49pm
Oh and technically you are US citizens......
because the americas are continents, so any one from Canada Mexico Chile Brazil...etc. are americans.
but we didn't want to take it away from you
Or give you any ideas :bolt:
manifest destiny and all that
Ok time to conquor all americans (or americas) and make them US citizens :tardbang: We need a good war again and those mountys over the boarder gave me the evil eye! :alienhuh:
paul_valaru
1/26/04, 05:50pm
Ok time to conquor all americans (or americas) and make them US citizens :tardbang: We need a good war again and those mountys over the boarder gave me the evil eye! :alienhuh:
good luck, we'll all be in the yukon, waitng for you
bring shorts, the weather is lovely
Yeah,but any nukes we have belong to the US ,we just store them .
we still have the keys
drkavnger99
1/26/04, 05:54pm
good luck, we'll all be in the yukon, waitng for you
bring shorts, the weather is lovely
Really :confuse2: ..... Ok be there in a few :lloyd: :freezing nuts off:
Damn You Canadians always so tricksy
Heres a little warming gift :explode:
Keep in mind Paul, it takes the US 6 months to gather enough food & water to carry as we rampage & 6 months from late Jan is...
freako104
1/26/04, 06:38pm
:confuse3: what do you call them? Black George? Black Bob? Black Amanda?
whatever their name is. if i refer to the group I will say blacks. i dont call them anything but what they want to be called.
Thulsa Doom
1/26/04, 10:28pm
Paul, it comes down to (a/some/many) group(s) who are trying to divide this country into small segments. It's easier to conquer when nobody is united.
WE ARE AMERICANS.
speak for yourself Im an earthling. :D
A well, just give it a couple hundred years. If humans are still around by then, they should all be a lovely shade of global grey.
Paul, it comes down to (a/some/many) group(s) who are trying to divide this country into small segments. It's easier to conquer when nobody is united.
WE ARE AMERICANS.
when we all learn to get along we can even drop that distinction.
speak for yourself Im an earthling. :D
See, there's one now ;)
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