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source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3426273.stm) The war in Congo, estimated to have killed three million people and involving armies from seven different countries, is coming to an end. But, as United Nations troops move into areas previously ravaged by war, the true horror of what was wrought on the population is now emerging. It was after a torturous two-hour drive along a windy dirt road, high up in the mountains, that we found Vumiliar Lukindo - or just Vumi. As we walked forward to meet the tiny 16-year-old, she doubled over, clutching her stomach and trying to cover her feet with the faded cloth she had wrapped around her body. She averted her eyes. Urine covered her feet.
Vumi suffers from incontinence, and cannot sit down because of the pain, the result of a horrific rape incident last October.
"The attack happened at night, and we were forced to flee into the bush," she said, in a voice barely more than a whisper. "Four men took me. They all raped me. At that time I was nine months pregnant." "They gang-raped me and pushed sticks up my vagina - that's when my baby died - they said it was better than killing me." The men then stole her few belongings and her community, unable to live with the smell, shunned her. Now she hopes only to be healed.
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somehow...someway...we as women everywhere have got to stop taking this fucking crap.
*feels a slow, seething hate.
BeardofPants
1/24/04, 09:12pm
Fucking monsters.
That is not a womans issue. That is a human issue. The barbarians need to be brought to justice (as if there is justice for rape). Preferably at the end of a barrel.
freako104
1/24/04, 10:04pm
I agree with gonz. rape is a sick crime and the victim never recovers. I think she should decide what happens to her attacker. Rape is a human issue but women are more likely the victim so in that sense it is a womans issue. my say is let the attacker die. preferably painfully
Scum bags. All of them. The attackers need to be skinned then salted.
The attackers need to be skinned then salted.
I like that.
That is not a womans issue. That is a human issue. The barbarians need to be brought to justice (as if there is justice for rape). Preferably at the end of a barrel.it is a woman's issue. men have been "in charge" long enough, and nothing's changed at the end of it. it still happens ALL the time. jail, death, lynching, there is no justice, ever, for that.
we ALL need to start carrying hammers around with us and pounding the FUCK out of these men.
As long as men are bigger than women, it doesn't matter who is in charge. Size is going to win.
As long as there are women who are willing to pull stunts like this there will be men who think it's all no big deal.
A STUDENT is so hard up she has decided to make the ultimate sacrifice ...she is selling her virginity to the highest bidder on the internet.
So far more than 400 men, many of them sickos, have placed bids offering 18-year-old Rosie Reid up to £10,000 for sex.
The drastic action has left Rosie's parents sickened. Her doctor dad has told her she "is selling her soul". Her nurse mum is outraged.
And Rosie is even willing to sleep with a man despite it being abhorrent to her—she is a LESBIAN.
But she would rather prostitute herself than see her studies suffer.
She is currently forced to work long hours in poorly paid part-time jobs to pay her tuition fees.
Rosie said: "The way things are going, I'll leave university £15,000 in debt. That's why I'm taking drastic action."
NewsoftheWorld (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news3.shtml)
freako104
1/25/04, 01:21am
I read that in Bizarre magazine. Men have been in control which is sad but as i said it is not just women who are raped but men can be too. just women get raped more
Not to mention that many people are still brought up thinking that men are the more superior gender and that women are only good for having children and cooking.
So they think it's OK for them to do crap like that.
What do y'all think of this guy (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3171821838&category=317)?
i think i'd rather spent my dollar on batteries for my vibrator.
I'd spend my dollar on candy.
Ms Ann Thrope
1/25/04, 04:00am
I'm thinking he's being way too picky for someone that can't even spell the word hygienic. :rolleyes:
YOU MUST BE FEMALE
you must weigh under 165 pounds
you must be over the age of 18 and under the age of 42
you must be hygenic
you must be disease free
you must not have any visible signs of illness
you must either travel to Austin, TX, or provide my airfare and accomodations to visit you.
you must agree to allow this to be video taped for distribution (according to the law as long as it is recorded and intended for distribution it is legal)
my satisfaction is 100%GUARANTEED .
I will provide candles and the music of your choice.
you must either travel to Austin, TX, or provide my airfare and accomodations to visit you.
What woman in her right mind would do that???
Not very many who weigh less than 165 and are age 18-42, hygienic, disease-free and free of visible signs of illness. Usually, people who meet those qualifications are able to get some on their own.
source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3426273.stm):disgust2:
somehow...someway...we as women everywhere have got to stop taking this fucking crap.
SICK-PLAIN SICKO'S.....Rape and then the need to put sticks up there!! :crying4: :gun2: should find them and torture them....the skinning and salt idea would work ....
BeardofPants
1/25/04, 06:04am
Wow. I weight under 165 pounds... think I'll meet the criteria? Oh wait... virginity. Damn. :retard:
Is this guy the complete epitome of un-sexy, or what? :sick:
Captain Obvious
1/25/04, 06:10am
What do y'all think of this guy (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3171821838&category=317)?
Classy :eyepop: Just can't understand why he's only had two bids so far :anon:
Maybe his mum can't bid again for 24 hours :evilcool:
incest meets ebay...interesting...
freako104
1/25/04, 04:17pm
Not to mention that many people are still brought up thinking that men are the more superior gender and that women are only good for having children and cooking.
So they think it's OK for them to do crap like that.
the first part is true. but I think even chauvanist pigs dont like the idea of rape. The guy is a loser. I wonder if it was him that bid on himself
:confuse3: :eek5: *poke*
:bolt:
What do y'all think of this guy (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3171821838&category=317)?
The link goes to an "invalid item" page..........which is prolly what it was while he was on their anyway :eh:
a13antichrist
1/26/04, 02:18am
This thread, and the nature of the replies in it, are why you guys don't see me round here much anymore.
AlphaTroll
1/26/04, 02:34am
source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3426273.stm):disgust2:
somehow...someway...we as women everywhere have got to stop taking this fucking crap.
Unfortunately cases like that are rather common in Africa. We've had cases where girls attack each other on school grounds & the attackers will 'rape' their victim using all kinds of instruments, ranging from sharpened pencils to bottles. It's one thing to say that we should take a stand & fight back against the men doing these sort of deeds, but I think it takes on another dimension when it's a woman perpetrating the crime.
In one case we had a woman was ganraped in a deserted building, her attackers then burnt her eyes shut with a heated clothes iron to prevent her from being able to identify them.
Last week there was a case of a 21 year old AIDS activist who was gang raped, after she told her attackers that she was HIV positive they beat her to death in the toilet of the bar where they had raped her. I can't help but feel that in some cruel justice they will now be infected with the HI virus........unfortunately with the way things are in SA at the moment it will most likely lead to an innocent girl being raped & infected with the virus (there is a belief among some in SA that sex with a virgin will cure AIDS - it's a cultural belief that has lead to many child rapes etc - I'm disgusted to be part of the same society as these animals).
mmm...that is a good point AT :eh:
When I posted this it was the gang mentality that struck me...well rather the militarygang mentality...we hear of it time and time again and it never stops...militants going from village to village plundering and killing and raping the innocents...I just really cannot fathom that it's still going on...just wishing in my own little pink world that somehow someway the innocents would come to find a way to rise up and fight against it. :(
it is a woman's issue. men have been "in charge" long enough, and nothing's changed at the end of it. it still happens ALL the time. jail, death, lynching, there is no justice, ever, for that.
we ALL need to start carrying hammers around with us and pounding the FUCK out of these men.
Boys and Men get raped too. It's not just a women's issue. It's not even a sex issue most of the time. Rape is a control/power issue.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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As for hammers... they're not that efficient as weapons. Too easy to disarm someone with a hammer. Try stun-guns. Small, good for close quarters and when he's down...you get to play for once.
Regarding the topic at hand. War is hell! It's not a nice little excercise governed by rules.
Rape, pilliging and murder are part and parcel of war. Innocents die or worst during war. What bothers me is that this particular war went on for so long before it was stopped or even noticed.
There are wars going on all the time...mostly ignored by the planet at large.
It isn't until the First World either takes notice or takes action that the war actually exists!
This war in the congo didn't start yesterday. There are an estimated 3 MILLION deaths!!!
3 MILLION DEATHS!!!! - and we're talking about rape and wether it's a women's issues only ?!?
Just in case you weren't reading the first two times.
3,000,000 people dead... in a war that nobody's talking about until now.
Call the UN. Isn't this precisely why they were invented?
Call the UN. Isn't this precisely why they were invented?
They already knew...that's why they're there now...trying to clean up after the war stopped on its own.
Anyone know how long this war's been going on?
How long have they known & done nothing? (a/k/a Rwanda)
How long have they known & done nothing? (a/k/a Rwanda)
Dunno...just found out myself. It didn't make the news and I didn't see it on the internet. It wasn't popular enough for the media to event give it a blurp.
"In recent news, another 25,000 dead today in Northern Congo, 300 women raped, 1200 children raped etc...and now the Weather, after this commercial break
Dunno...just found out myself. It didn't make the news and I didn't see it on the internet. It wasn't popular enough for the media to event give it a blurp.
The UN probably knew about it within a month of the war beginning.
Therefore, most of the world's GVTs knew...none of them did anything about it.
Not important enough, I guess. They're only poor, starving, AIDS-ridden, oil-poor Africans.
Shame really...now, what's going on in IRAQ again?
I've known about all this, dunno where you all have been :tardbang:
this would be just one of the examples of why I don't fall for the "oh aren't we wonderful we went to stop human suffering bullshit being spewed everywhere lately" :shrug:
Bish, i picked on this one aspect of the issue having heard, felt helpless and cried about the wars, the entire situation, all of it for years and years and years, it not having dawned on me that people with this level of information gathering wouldn't have heard about the wars as yet. This is the human suffering that rampaging like this causes...maybe sadly we can't stop the wars, but it'd sure be nice if we women could somehow figure out a way to stop this one means of torture of those like ourselves.
freako104
1/26/04, 01:05pm
Dunno...just found out myself. It didn't make the news and I didn't see it on the internet. It wasn't popular enough for the media to event give it a blurp.
there are quite a bit of wars going on that isnt being covered.
drkavnger99
1/26/04, 01:26pm
Leslie is right about this have been going on a long time.... If you've watched any movies (such as Congo, Tears of the Sun (based in Nigeria), among others) that flopped at the box office because in general most ppl psudeo care about what happens abroad. They would show you some of the evils going on right benieth our noses! Its a sad day when this goes overlooked for so long but whos to blame for it? I'm not pointing fingers at anyone for IMHO its a little of everyones including myself!
I've known about all this, dunno where you all have been :tardbang:
this would be just one of the examples of why I don't fall for the "oh aren't we wonderful we went to stop human suffering bullshit being spewed everywhere lately" :shrug:
Bish, i picked on this one aspect of the issue having heard, felt helpless and cried about the wars, the entire situation, all of it for years and years and years, it not having dawned on me that people with this level of information gathering wouldn't have heard about the wars as yet. This is the human suffering that rampaging like this causes...maybe sadly we can't stop the wars, but it'd sure be nice if we women could somehow figure out a way to stop this one means of torture of those like ourselves.
No worries... I appreicate that the idea of rape pisses you off. Pisses off the majority of us. Focusing on that part of the issue is fine...war is a bit big to try and concentrate on all of it's parts at once.
What ticked me off is that it seems to have fallen off the TV radar. It wasn't a popular enough war or something as inane.
Anyone know of a site that keeps track of present wars? Perhaps if we all write to our 'leaders' regarding these wars that they might start paying attention at their monthly UN meetings.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
info on what's going on all round the globe :shrug: plus country profiles, blahblahblah.
freako104
1/26/04, 01:50pm
the bbc must be one of the better news sites.
Gato_Solo
1/26/04, 02:11pm
Scum bags. All of them. The attackers need to be skinned then salted.
Naah...Lemon juice works soooo much better. ;)
Gato_Solo
1/26/04, 02:20pm
Regarding the topic at hand. War is hell! It's not a nice little excercise governed by rules.
Geneva Convention, LOAC...
Rape, pilliging and murder are part and parcel of war.
Really, now. I must've missed that part in my briefings.
Innocents die or worst during war. What bothers me is that this particular war went on for so long before it was stopped or even noticed.
Finally a knowledgable answer.
There are wars going on all the time...mostly ignored by the planet at large.
It isn't until the First World either takes notice or takes action that the war actually exists!
This war in the congo didn't start yesterday. There are an estimated 3 MILLION deaths!!!
3 MILLION DEATHS!!!! - and we're talking about rape and wether it's a women's issues only ?!?
Just in case you weren't reading the first two times.
3,000,000 people dead... in a war that nobody's talking about until now.
Actually, this war has been talked about before. I hear breifings on it all the time. The French even have a contingent of soldiers nearby. Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it isn't noticed.
Geneva Convention, LOAC...
Actually, this war has been talked about before. I hear breifings on it all the time. The French even have a contingent of soldiers nearby. Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it isn't noticed.
Not everyone signed the Geneva convention and damn certian that a lot don't follow it either. I don't see the Huttu or Tutsis (sp?) putting down their machetes and saying "Hmmm...maybe it's not such a good idea for me to be chopping the limbs off of these kids right now...might upset the Geneva convention" all that often.
Rape/pillage/plunder - yes, still parts of war. Lots of Vietnam babies walking around...sure as hell weren't all that many troops marrying Vietnamese women in the middle of the war..er..police action.
Lots of villages burnt to the ground
Lots of national tresures stolen and never recovered....Hell, it's happening in Iraq now with lots of National tresures being looted from Museums and sold on the black market.
War isn't as organized or humane as you might think...or know of. I know that you were/are part of the military. You might even have taken part in a war or two for all I know, but I very much doubt that in your experience, you can tell me that the Geneva Convention did more than allow for the arrests and punishment of those who did the war attrocities listed AFTER the fact, but did anything during the fact to stop things.
Like a good plan, the Geneva Convention rarely survives first contact with the enemy.
Actually, this war has been talked about before. I hear breifings on it all the time. The French even have a contingent of soldiers nearby. Just because you haven't heard of it, doesn't mean it isn't noticed.
How long has it been going on? It's certainly not all over the news like Iraq or even Afghanistan. I remember seeing the occasional news-blurp about it, but nothing big enough to warrant the huge loss of life. That is, consider how many people have died in this, I'm surprised that we aren't hearing about it weekly and that politicians aren't using it as a platform for International assistance for Peace.
:crying2: :disgust2: I just don't know what else to say - those men should be tortured horribly until they are dead....
How long has it been going on? It's certainly not all over the news like Iraq or even Afghanistan. I remember seeing the occasional news-blurp about it, but nothing big enough to warrant the huge loss of life. That is, consider how many people have died in this, I'm surprised that we aren't hearing about it weekly and that politicians aren't using it as a platform for International assistance for Peace.I'm not suprised...just deeply, deeply disappointed in humanity...
again. :disgust2:
paul_valaru
1/26/04, 05:29pm
:crying2: :disgust2: I just don't know what else to say - those men should be tortured horribly until they are dead....
you know this is the point where some do-gooder says that acting like them will not change anything, and they should just be imprisoned or executed, but torture makes us no better then them.......
But you know what, no way we can be as bad as them, and these people to feel every ounce of pain they inflicted, and then their mutilated corpses should be hung in plain view as a warning to others.
As for it won't change what happened, it won't but it will make our inner non PC sense of justice feel a bit more at ease.
a brutal response to a brutal crime, but it is warrented
freako104
1/26/04, 06:40pm
the punishment should fit the crime I say
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